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Are alt's killing eve online?
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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-07-09 11:28:03 UTC
I did without for ages but having a trading alt and a hauling alt is just too useful.

And I feel like the current expansion is pretty good for solo account players what with the dual training option and the easy ISK making opportunities. If someone wants to ISBox 'roids then good on 'em. I really don't feel I'm disadvantaged in the pursuit of spaceship turnover.

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ImmutableDark
Absalom.
#22 - 2013-07-09 11:28:33 UTC
EVE is dead.
Mitsushige Shingen
Viriette Industrial Combined Arms Militia
#23 - 2013-07-09 12:41:00 UTC
Negativity is killing the adequate and pleasant state of mind.

New Order agents, such as myself but not limited to just me, are here to help all of humanity create the benevolent environment that we can all truly enjoy being a part of.

With regards to the original poster, "alts" lack the ability to kill eve online, they cannot "kill" eve online any more than a potato can grow into a strawberry tree.


-Mitsushige Shingen New Order Agent Enlightening souls one Capsuleer at a time in order to help create the benevolent society we all deserve.  
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#24 - 2013-07-09 12:46:47 UTC
I am sending my ninja alts to CCP HQ right now with orders to kill Eve Online.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-07-09 12:54:30 UTC
Shova'k wrote:
tho i heard a few people say the game would be better if we could only have 1 account.


It's better if it's like how MuDs were done, 1 account per IP...with everything, including ingame gold can be tracked (so if you're a college student sharing an IP with others, the devs can still see who's linked to what account).

Personally, I prefer a 1 main and 1 alt system (alts as mules deal). Because a player then really has time to get accustomed to one class/role and be a master of his class or trade, not be a jack of all trades but a master of none. Despise it in WoW, people expecting others to carry them, because they have to play 10 different classes, and don't care how they perform.

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Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-07-09 13:11:41 UTC
Personally I'm the type who doesn't really believe in the concept of "alts" ... I am quite fond of having a "main" because you don't have to juggle multiple identities and you can channel your entire personality into that one main character.

However, I understand the need for alts in this game.

No, alts are not killing EVE Online.

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Kali Maat
PVP FAST
#27 - 2013-07-09 13:18:49 UTC
I am a PI enthusiasm and with a hard limit of 6 planets per char..
I have a bunch of PI alts XD
DED Capsuleer
DED Drug Enforcement Department
#28 - 2013-07-09 13:21:39 UTC
They are for me; but that's because I'm at a point in EVE were I don't feel like I'm getting the full experience if i don't have my 3 accounts running.

And EVE just isn't worth 3 accounts to me atm.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#29 - 2013-07-09 13:45:48 UTC
Alts are helping keep EvE Online alive. I swear if you ever took away peoples alts you'd have like.....5 people playing the game.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
brinelan
#30 - 2013-07-09 17:27:42 UTC
Anyone who thinks alts shouldn't be allowed has never done industry of any kind other then just running a job to try out the mechanic.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#31 - 2013-07-09 17:34:49 UTC
brinelan wrote:
Anyone who thinks alts shouldn't be allowed has never done industry of any kind other then just running a job to try out the mechanic.


Agreed... And:

It is not only that. In most other MMOs people really don't care who your character is. Most don't have a criminal system and those that do have one - and that I played - are quite forgiving.

In EVE other players remember for quite some time and as to the mechanics: even with tags its not that easy to get your standing back up when you play e.g. a pirate.

So if you want to play chars with very different sets of morals, you need alts.

Unless of course all your characters are wallflowers that never did and never will do anything exciting, crazy or memorable.

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Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#32 - 2013-07-09 17:42:20 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
No, and anyone who thinks alts ruin the game should :frogout:




This is the most known French frog recipe, of course you can't use no matter what animal for this, there's a specific species and size and it's also obvious you must choose fresh products from someone responsible and professional - not a butcher but someone respecting periods where you can hunt them down, leave females alone (eventually), respect size etc.

Now this is said, lets do it !!


"Cuisses de Grenouille à L'aioli" -My favorite recipe, there are many others but this one is pretty cool


2Kg of frog legs, if you can't get fresh ones you can get frozen ones, choose a respectable known company or origin
1Ltr of milk
Garlic, parsley, pepper, eggs, mustard, olive oil, butter (Breton butter best, the natural sea salted and no light crap)

Previous preparation: Take you froggy legs and put them in a quite big enough recipient, add the milk ans less "mariner" about 2h (this is my favorite timing but some like 24h or others just 20min)

Now you're done with this first part and ready to go:

Lightly fry the legs on with butter slowly, slowly and tenderly is the secret of success just like loving an awesome looking laddie, a little inch of salt, add pepper eventually if you want - I do not recommend this if you invite other people, some might not like it.
Of course you'll stop frying legs when they have a nice uniform golden color.

Prepare your "aioli" sauce: maybe you'll get this wrong the first time but after a couple try you get good at this and have a lot of success with a myriad of nice ladies

-You need about 8 full garlic, get them clean and wash them with clear hater (fresh better)
-1CL of mustard (the strong one is my favorite, gives your aioli strong character)
-An inch of salt best quality, in French is named "Fleur de Sel" duno how to call it in this silly language (that I love by the way)
-Oil to taste (peanut one is good, watch origin !! you want best natural products like a real awesome ladies and not a bunch of silicone/botox plugged together!!)
-1 yolk

Put the garlic in some recipient, add the mustard and mixx this firmly until you get paste form
Add the yolk, mix again until you get an uniform paste
Add an inch of Oil and mix again energetically until your paste is uniform, add as much as you think necessary to get the "mayonaise" consistency and color, of course you'll add the oil by little portions and will always be mixxin energetically (hand made best maid)

My little secret: I usually mixx this with a regular fork and either a red garlic or small red ognion well planted the I previously prepare by cutting it a bit so aromas get mixed Blink

Once you think it's good at looks and taste put it in the fridge for 2min (4° best)

Get your frog legs on a plate and topp them with this aioli sauce, go ahead be generous, cooking is about generosity about flavors about pleasure (moderate pleasure of course)
Put the top on your plate and let this mix slowly about 10/15min (I prefer 10 but once you get some experience do it as you feel it and at your taste)

You can serve them with small fresh white boiled potatoes, I don't know if you guys can get sort of "Noirmoutiers" ones but those are fantastic, absolutely incredible, size is about 2.5 inches max 3.

What are those "Noirmoutier" potatoes? - it's just a "Bonnotte" planted in an enriched soil of algae (the soil is prepared since generations and generations now so this could be extremely hard to reproduce without chemical processes which would just kill the true nature of it in the first place)

I was just forgetting, serve about 4 legs generously top with sauce and about 5/6 half of those small potatoes.

This is the kind of plate you can bring either white or red whine, some Californian/Australian Chardonnay imho is excellent of course best is still French one (yeah yeah I know...)
Some Cotes du Rhone or hell even Rosé Cotes de Provence is good, whill at taste (not more than 4° and not less than 2) plz !!!)

Bon apétit.


This looks a pretty awesome recipe

Sounds delicious! I'll definately gonna make this as soon as i get to a good french Hyper marcher.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#33 - 2013-07-09 17:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
No but they make solo gameplay easy to do and allows players to circumvent the cooperative gameplay that most MMOG require.

However... given that multiple clients = more winning for most players and most players thus buy multiple accounts its more money for CCP to allow them (would cut their profits quiet a bit if there were less incentive for multiple accounts) so they leave it be.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-07-09 17:47:25 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Haramir Haleths wrote:
Having 2 or more accounts isn't having an alt. This is a regular Player Accounts. And you will need them later on.
An Alt is a second char on the same account btw.



I wouldn't agree with that.

The main is a character that you play the most (usually). Alt characters are just alternative characters doesn't matter what account they're on.



In a game based on skills and skillpoints this is false.

In Eve, you have pilots. Period. Since you can dual/multi box, you aren't forced to pick one over the other.

Since you can only login to one pilot per account.... you have a Main and 2 alts per account. Not per player.

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#35 - 2013-07-09 17:54:03 UTC
I wouldn't say alts are killing Eve, but I think Eve would be a better game without alts and second accounts. The thing that drew me to the game was the immersion. The idea of having a reputation. Of being 'you' in the galaxy. Alts just water that down, allow people to escape consequences and detract from group play.

No good deed goes unpunished
Emily Natalios
CFB Training Corp
#36 - 2013-07-09 18:04:00 UTC
Um, no. Alts are keeping Eve Online profitable. I don't know anybody that plays a single account. Most people I know have 3-6.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#37 - 2013-07-09 18:12:10 UTC
Confirming I am single handedly killing Eve because of all my alts.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Shova'k
The Bank Of Jita
#38 - 2013-07-09 18:25:33 UTC
I agree with the guys who said multiboxing with software like ISboxer is just ********. I recall seeing those 10 man fleets trying to do incursion vanguard tho it was rather fun to take my fleet and follow them stealing every site from them till they moved to a diff incursion. Lots of good points tho from those of us who use alts not to mention the massive decrease in number of characters buying stuff from market if alts where removed.

P.S. frog legs are so last year deep fried tarantula man get with the times
GreenSeed
#39 - 2013-07-09 18:39:03 UTC
i think the game has some gameplay limitations that have been made redundant with alts. highsec penalties to low sec status are pointless, same with killrights, cynos are also pointless.

reds should be free to do as they please in highsec, and killrights need to go away. all they do is force people to make highsec ganking alts that completely avoid the penalties.

and cynos are working as intended when used on ships on the filed, as a limitation factor on jumping mechanics they are completely pointless.

once you have an alt and aren't a complete moron you have jump fright service with low risk. after all, the ship is still vulnerable to ganks in highsec and transit systems. but why not just make it so cynos cant be lit under 100km from stations, while allowing all stations to act as permanent cynobeacons themselves?

alts requirement removed, pew pew left untouched.

same can be said about parallel production. if i own 10 poses and want to use the 300 slots, why do i need 30 alts? now, i know the answer is simple "because NPC production lines are free" well lets get rid of them. if the only production lines come from players, whats the point in limiting slots per character? i already proven i "deserve" the slots, i dropped the Poses, i fueled them. i demand my bacon!

so the problem aren't alts, the problem are all the mechanics the game has that have been made redundant because of alts
Anthony Blunt
Appenzeller Kantonal Bank
#40 - 2013-07-09 18:55:23 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:


the secret of success just like loving an awesome looking laddie, a little inch of salt, add pepper eventually if you want - I do not recommend this if you invite other people, some might not like it.






I didn't realise you were scottish

"if you're not having fun in a sandbox, it's not the Sands fault" Jenn aSide
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