Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your posts inspire me.

<- is not trolling.
As probably already the case, people are likely to feel very molested in their dignity when one speaks of the c-word.

Just to ask, how is the "Cloaky ship = expensive" part a problem?
I was under the impression that cloaking + vessel tech are, well, expensive special traits.


It is impossible to debate much about cloaking because it is a delicate topic like religion and drawing specific comics about holy figures of cultures. So I'll just stay out of that one. CCP knows what they're doing - and cloakers can stlil be dealt with in a way - or just bluntly ignored.

You are right though about once a cloaker is inside, you won't get him out as well as the fact that he can stay cloaked indefinitely.

But I too think there should several possiblities in taking on them, as you said like anti-cloaking special stuff etc, and like for cloaky vessels, there should be a bracket of ships about anti-cloak and other toys. I think one came make it interesting, while balanced.


I like your idea about utilizing PI goods. That is something that should be really focused on in upcoming addons, for my taste at least. For the sake of the thread (or whatever), I think you should disregard, if not REMOVE, the cloaky subjects. It is just going to attract more trolls than people willing to elaborate about it. Maybe you're better off making another thread.
But hey, I'm not Big Boss.

Anyhow.
Covert Cloaks using fuel is a good idea, but the community won't like it. CCP would have to shove that one down their throats but I doubt it is going to happen.
Imo, it makes sense to me. But on the other hand, maybe you should consider imagining a unique ship that uses those isotopes etc for special abilities and stuff - as well as focusing more how to improve the need of PI commodities.

//Isotopes/Fuel harvesting from Stars/suns
I like that one. Ever since Elite:3 or Battlecruiser 3000AD, I always hoped to see stuff like that in this game.
Fuels unfortunately are pretty much just for chubby Capital Ships with Jumpdrives and PoSes.

I think you should focus here too on ships/modules that could harvest and have the "fuel" be saved in cargo bay -> you then can utilize that fuel for whatever, offensive, defensive, industrial etc.
You tackled that one quite well, so I'd say focus on that too :)!

I don't want to hijack this thread with my stuff as that will kill your thread.

Ok, that's hardly the most practical solution to this.

It's total effect, which should be perfectly obvious, will be to create a time limit for cloaked vessels to operate.
But, they can refuel, right?

SURE, just as long as they can get the fuel to the ship.... but, oh wait, they are in hostile territory. (This is SUPPOSED to be what people in PvP games do, go into hostile territory, etc)
Getting that fuel behind enemy lines will be difficult, assuming it is practical to begin with.
That places a truly significant burden on the cloaked vessel, in order to operate.

Now, in order to make any claims regarding balance, it must be also demonstrated how they are getting something of benefit out of this as well.

What, did you actually assume the devs left this part of the game out of balance just so you could come along and point it out to them?

No soap box. Facts stated objectively carry enough weight on their own.

You are out of touch, if you think I am making any key points from personal opinion.

The game is in balance. Rebalance means changing balance aspects on both sides. Balance shifting means to affect only one side, or to affect both sides unevenly.

The cloak, as it is right now, is balanced. Is being unable to find it broken? Maybe, but then so is getting free intel out of a chat channel.

And PvP is everywhere in EVE. You mine for ore? PvP.
You sell on the markets? PvP.
You ratting? PvP.

Every aspect of game represents Player versus Player competition, as all the effects are interconnected.
Pricing for ores, and loot from NPC's, are all set by players.
As is the competition to get to those same NPCs and asteroids.

You have mistaken ship to ship combat for PvP.

All these threads would disappear? That statement alone shows just how out of touch you are. We just had a thread on a freighter bumping in GD and even though it was pointed out and linked to show it wasn't an exploit, it went on for 59 pages.

Then we had a thread on margin trading and even after a dev posted it wasn't an exploit, people continued to argue the point.

Oh and nice to see you go into detail, in your argument against the points in Nikk's post. Would read again.

Mag's so you are saying that if a dev logged into this thread, stated. "Cloaking is working how it should. We have no intention of changing it and the mechanic is working exactly how we planned." That a good chunk of threads wouldnt just up and disappear? You say I am out of touch. Geez brother.

The example I could find of the margin trading is a pretty good example. Yes, there were 2 pages of fluff after the dev jumped in and made the statement but the thread died several hours ago.

Oh it would be a 'good chunk' now and not 'all these threads'? Seems some goal posts are being moved around here.

I see you conveniently ignored the 59 page monster as well. Son, I am disappointed.

Let's stay in touch with reality here and I'll take the change of stance on your part, as admission you were wrong.

Maybe we could return to the subject at hand and have you argue against the points raised by Nikk. If you have any of course. Any that are in touch with something at least. (I.E. Not with the Fairies or Ponies.) You have 3 accounts, maybe another char could help?