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Broe
The Oasis Group
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
#1 - 2013-07-08 23:07:30 UTC
Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking

does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"

?

I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.

Question

As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc.

Does this not pose a problem?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2013-07-08 23:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Broe wrote:
Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking
They do not condone griefing, no. They just have a completely different view of what griefing is.
Taking all your money through any legit means available isn't it.

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does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"
Extortion is legit, yes.

Quote:
As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc.

Does this not pose a problem?
No. The instant the PLEX comes into existence, it becomes a full in-game asset. You may not trade it, or ISK, for cash (same as for any other in-game item) and you can lose it the same as any other such item. Your ISK is worthless and is, in fact, not even yours but CCP's. Just because you've lost ISK doesn't mean you've lost anything in the real world.

…oh, and what does any of this have to do with highsec mining, by the way?
WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-07-08 23:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: WonkySplitDemon
Aww what a cute pet name "minibumping"

Bless your socks

furthermore, what you described is not griefing, CCP said so, what you "class" as griefing is not important.

htfu etc etc

EDIT: Oh and extorting people is actually really fun, you should try it some day Big smile
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2013-07-08 23:18:25 UTC
Show us on the barge doll where the bad men from the new order touched you.....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2013-07-08 23:20:23 UTC
Extortion is not griefing, CCP see it as a legitimate gameplay option and it's their opinion that matters.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2013-07-08 23:22:53 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Show us on the barge doll where the bad men from the new order touched you.....

WTB: Hulk plushie doll.
Xessej
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-08 23:23:47 UTC
Broe wrote:
does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"
Unless you are flying some crazy valuable ship tell them to bugger off. Fly omni tanked for a while and if the try a gank they'll lose a lot more than you do

If they really wanted to gank you there would have been no warning or negotiation.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-07-08 23:26:07 UTC
They condone questionable anti-social behavior.

I suppose I would call it griefing, but others get their panties in a wad and claim it doesn't hurt no one.

Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real.

Otherwise the stakes aren't as high.

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-07-08 23:27:56 UTC
Most people complain to CCP about "griefing" because they got bumped off an asteroid and they remain in the field amd get repeatedly bumped...

Heres an idea: Simple solution (also CCP's solution) move to another belt/move systems...Big smile

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2013-07-08 23:32:52 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real.
If the tears are real, it's not really the supposed griefer that suffers from some kind of questionable behaviour…
WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-07-08 23:35:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real.
If the tears are real, it's not really the supposed griefer that suffers from some kind of questionable behaviour…



Words of wisdom here

Some people seem to genuinely forget EVE is a game
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#12 - 2013-07-08 23:40:48 UTC
You mad Broe?

...
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-07-08 23:41:27 UTC
Always amazes me the number of people who expect some degree of RL "common courtesy" or "etiquette" in a virtual environment that simply does not require that sort of thing from anyone.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-07-08 23:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Tippia wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real.
If the tears are real, it's not really the supposed griefer that suffers from some kind of questionable behaviour…


No. I suppose not. The griefer tends to get the nice end of the griefing stick.

Have you never heard someone rage in voice comms before swearing they were going to quit the game in the brink of tears?

I have. I'm not sure if it was sad or funny.

Sure EVE is a game, but its like poker. The stakes are real and people get pretty upset when they lose $100 dollar worth of ship.

Especially those who actually paid money to pay for their ships.

And then get their carrier awox'd.

Considering CCP makes ads that say its cool to steal billions out of the corp wallet, I would say they were condone being an ass.

Nothing wrong with it I am saying. I am just saying its a better game when the tears are real.

To deny that denies why people take this game so seriously.

[edit]

I have participated in griefing people. I am not ashamed to have called it griefing. Its just not griefing that violates the rules..

[edit2]

Have you seen this guy rage about losing a ship. Mind you... It was a rather expensive ship. But boy was he mad.

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WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-07-09 00:09:59 UTC
The ship he lost was worth 300 billion isk, or around 8000 US dollars at current exchange rates (plex). I would rage too, but then I would remember its Internet spaceships and go to the pub
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#16 - 2013-07-09 00:16:01 UTC
Broe wrote:
Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking

does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"

?

I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.

Question

As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc.

Does this not pose a problem?






You have a few options...

a) pay, view the extortion as a business expense, and hope they are honest extortionists

b) move elsewhere, and hope the new neighborhood has nicer residents

c) become a less attractive target

I usually opt for c), but they are all valid choices.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#17 - 2013-07-09 00:30:19 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Always amazes me the number of people who expect some degree of RL "common courtesy" or "etiquette" in a virtual environment that simply does not require that sort of thing from anyone.


You could extend that to the entire Internet where, up until recently, there were no consequences for acting horribly to someone else. Now there are actual consequences it will be interesting to see if that trickles down to gaming.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-07-09 00:33:14 UTC
Broe wrote:
Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking

does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"

?

I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.

Question

As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc.

Does this not pose a problem?




What you call griefing in your post is not actually griefing. It is a valid part of the game and yes CCP support it.


ISK has no real currency value. PLEX has an ISK value depending on what the market is at the time. But PLEX has no real currency value once purchased from CCP. So to recap a PLEX in-game has no real currency value, just an in-game currency value.

You can pay ISK for PLEX then extend game time, but that's not using real currency as CCP has already received that at point of sale of the PLEX before they entered the game.
Amnesiaa Haze
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-07-09 00:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Amnesiaa Haze
You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...

The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...


The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#20 - 2013-07-09 00:46:26 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...

The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...


The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.

Opinions are not facts, please don't confuse the two in the future. This game is what you want it to be, though the OP should keep in mind that the one constant is that's it's an MMO with a permanent PvP flag.
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