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They should change 0.5 to lowsec
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Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-07-08 17:04:26 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:


all the rig slots were empty :cripes:


Well, we are not all billionaires....

Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny.
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#22 - 2013-07-08 17:11:05 UTC
If we change 0.5 to lowsec where do we stop then at 09 because that is what you are proposing

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#23 - 2013-07-08 17:12:23 UTC
Manfred Hideous wrote:
[quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Elizabeth Aideron]
Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny.


...and takes two years to research?

Anyway....what is MAPC and MSEII? ....you're virtually talking to a n00b here....at least from a fighting point of view....I tend to stay out of it....in-game at least.... Ugh

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.
brinelan
#24 - 2013-07-08 17:13:14 UTC
you could have trained for an extender rig in the time between you starting this post and now.
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-07-08 17:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Manfred Hideous
Magnus Orly wrote:
Manfred Hideous wrote:
[quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Elizabeth Aideron]
Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny.


...and takes two years to research?

Anyway....what is MAPC and MSEII? ....you're virtually talking to a n00b here....at least from a fighting point of view....I tend to stay out of it....in-game at least.... Ugh


Research for what? You go to your local market, open ship modifications - rigs - shield - medium and buy the T1 core field extenders. No research involved but there is a little (really not much) training needed.


... and (IIRC) you can buy a rigged ship from someone else and the rigs would still work even if you can't fit them yourself. That's from my terrible memory, though so hopefully someone will help me out by confirming (or not).

You can't stay out of fighting in Eve. Non Consensual PVP is at the very foundation of this game.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-07-08 17:18:32 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:

...and takes two years to research?



lol wut? Shocked

Perhaps you should actually finish the tutorials and do a lot of reading up before continuing the game.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2013-07-08 17:19:24 UTC
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Magnus Orly wrote:
Manfred Hideous wrote:
[quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Elizabeth Aideron]
Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny.


...and takes two years to research?

Anyway....what is MAPC and MSEII? ....you're virtually talking to a n00b here....at least from a fighting point of view....I tend to stay out of it....in-game at least.... Ugh


Research for what? You go to your local market, open ship modifications - rigs - shield - medium and buy the T1 core field extenders. No research involved but there is a little (really not much) training needed.


... and (IIRC) you can buy a rigged ship from someone else and the rigs would still work even if you can't fit them yourself. That's from my terrible memory, though so hopefully someone will help me out by confirming (or not).

You can't stay out of fighting in Eve. Non Consensual PVP is at the very foundation of this game.



No, they won't work without the training, but they will not 'evaporate' or anything.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-07-08 17:23:09 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
[quote=Manfred Hideous][quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Manfred Hideous]


No, they won't work without the training, but they will not 'evaporate' or anything.


Thanks. I knew my crap memory would dunk me. Ugh
Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-07-08 17:23:55 UTC
Fit a damage control + tank rigs and you can survive a single T1 destroyer. Two destroyers will always kill a retriever though.

Still, you are flying a 40m ship. Every haul gives you 5m worth of ore. You have to be ganked pretty often for it to start hurting.
Just accept that you will be ganked for every 300-400m or so you earn.

Or get a procurer/skiff, but I still belive it to be more economicly to just use a retriever/mach and accept the losses. It's your choice though.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2013-07-08 17:55:30 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself...


read the freaking wiki, there is nothing misleading
and
HTFU

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-07-08 18:05:22 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself...


Yeah they should also change everything lower than -3 to null space, low sec is a wasteland anyway no one would ever notice while what op is asking, yes.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-07-08 18:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!!
You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank...

EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill...


1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options

if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit)

if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank, and your now the slowest thing in the entire universe

it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster
it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module
it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary


it's a specialised ship hull
it's specialised in a non combat orientated role


the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabilisers that are fitted to combat role ships
lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon/tracking/targetting upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it.
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-07-08 18:41:50 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!!
You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank...

EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill...


1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options

if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit)

if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank

it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster
it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module
it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary


it's a specialised ship hull
it's specialised in a non combat orientated role


the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabilisers that are fitted to combat role ships
lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it.


Gotta disagree with you. I put a decent alt (not level 5's with imps) in a reti and asked one of the resident gankers to come by and blow it up in a .5 system. I was just curious if an MSEII and 3X extenders would survive in armor or structure. I did warn him I was testing tank, so he knew to bring the faction ammo and Meta4 guns.

While I was hoping to get through in structure, he died while I was still in shields. I didn't even have repair costs. Of course, two cats would have nuked me but there were plenty of untanked retrievers in the area and no reason to gank the guy who bothered to make it less convenient.

The retriever is SUPPOSED to be paper thin in the tradeoff with a large ore hold. That said, you can do plenty to make it more survivable.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#34 - 2013-07-08 18:47:12 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

When seconds count, Concord is only minutes away.


Awesome! lol

+1

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#35 - 2013-07-08 19:58:51 UTC
Stealth 'make areas between empire spaces lowsec' thread.

Also potential 'make it easier to gank freighters going between market hubs' thread.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#36 - 2013-07-08 20:29:58 UTC
A low skilled newbie in a Retriever in Lowsec? That's asking to be blown up, with minimal skills the Retriever takes forever to align, is slow (even by barge standards), has no tank and doesn't have the power to jump all the way across a large system.

My advice; practice spamming the jump button once you hear the structure alarm and you might get away with your pod.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#37 - 2013-07-08 20:37:25 UTC
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#38 - 2013-07-08 20:46:21 UTC
Wow, three destroyers + rats. Those 'Gankers' should feel bad for needing that many to gank a max yield retriever.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#39 - 2013-07-08 20:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Magnus Orly wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:


all the rig slots were empty :cripes:


Well, we are not all billionaires....

Doesn't take billions. Takes *thinking.*

I didn't gank you, but I can tell you if I'd been in local, I would've. Your fitting screams "Burn Me!"
So start thinking. Start with a Procurer, and tank it like a be-yotch. Enjoy your relative freedom from ganks. You're still vulnerable, but there will most likely be tastier targets around. Open your eyes. Observe ganker behavior. Learn how to predict attacks. Learn how to not be there when the gank lands on-grid.

IOW: Think, Du. It's not so hard as it sounds.

Magnus Orly wrote:

...and takes two years to research?

Anyway....what is MAPC and MSEII? ....you're virtually talking to a n00b here....at least from a fighting point of view....I tend to stay out of it....in-game at least.... Ugh

On second thought, it may be that EVE Online is not the game for you.
Obunagawe
#40 - 2013-07-08 21:30:24 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:


all the rig slots were empty :cripes:


Well, we are not all billionaires....


Actually on the forums we kinda are.