EVE General Discussion

Nothing specifically wrong with it, more that lots of people don't like it. This is generally the point where people will start thrusting their opinions on you, often in the form of a bump or a gank while screaming "PvP only game!!"

Personally, i think EvE is great for exactly the reason that it caters for everyones play-style, from the most hardened PvP-Pirate scumbag to the part-time-dad afk mining while baking a cake.

Don't listen to the haters. Cause haters gonna hate.

They way mining is, if I was to take it up again (which is unlikely) I would only mine semi-afk because it's that kind of activity.

You can afk mine if you want, but as you acknowledge there are risks. Semi-afk mining reduces those risks, stands to reason.

Shouldn't worry too much what's said on the forums about people being afk. Most people assume being afk probably means you're botting which of course isn't necessarily the case.

So play the game as you wish as long as you don't break the EULA.

Whether it's bad or not is of no consequence. Someone doesn't like it and they're prepared to do something about it. That's all that matters in Eve.

For a more specific answer, I believe it's because some people feel that CCP are making the game easier for stupid people and that stupid people should not be allowed to survive in Eve. Everyone should be forced to be smart to improve the overall gameplay experience and those who can't handle it should play WoW.

if anything, CCP should introduce the new hacking mechanics to mining. Loot spew and ALL.

As long as youre not botting, there is no difference that I can see. If you have combat drones out that can handle any rats before your shield falls off, by sitting at the PC all your doing is staring at sod all that requires your input.
You COULD be chatting on Corp, offering assistance in HELP, planning new builds or ways to send your mining income, but honestly, there's only so long that any of that will hold your attention.

In its current form, non-fleet mining in high sec invites AFK behaviour, 3 minute cycle times, very large ore holds etc. My underskilled miner in a Retreiver can pitch up at a belt, pick 3 suitable rocks then be left completely alone for 30 minutes. If your managing multiple accounts then there may be enough to keep you busy, but for a one-man outfit .....

Its not fun, its not engaging and its CCPs doing.
For the record, I dont mine in High Sec or anywhere else anymore as its not worth the time if i'm not in a fleet with other people.

I dont want CCP to add another one of the god-awful mini-games they are so in love with atm either. I just wish they would make Mining engaging and at least worth the tedium.

James and his ilk are only interested in easy kills and provoking "tears". They are only unique in that they came up with a big enough justification to maintain momentum.

AFK mining is just a EULA-compatible phrase for bot emulation.

An AFK miner is functionally equal to a bot, there is no need to consider them separately. AFK mining is bad for the same reason that botting is bad, minus "CCP said so".

Then there are people that are simply confused, like Lin Suizei.
You mean when CCP Sreegs said the following?

Post 67.

So no, it's nothing like botting and CCP are fine with AFK mining. But thanks for posting.

I think most of us are not against afk mining.
What we oppose is the notion that many of those afk miners believe they are entitled to complete safety while being afk.
If you put yourself at risk you should accept the possible consequences.

In my experience, most of the people who complain about AFK miners used to be AFK miners themselves. And then they got ganked, so now they complain about it...
TL;DR, Haters gonna hate

Yeah, there is also some emotional factor here, cannot deny that.
When I was young and in a highsec indy corp, I guess I was the only person who was not afk during mining OPs.
I was the stupid fool who actually tanked his barge, kept it aligned and watched d-scan. I know that some other guys in corp were playing World of Warcraft during those Ops. And since they did not tank their barges, they had more mining upgrades fitted and were thus making more isk/hour than me.
Maybe it's somewhat irrational, but I hated the fact that those guys were making more ISK playing WoW than me playing EVE.
(on the plus side, I never ever lost a barge to a gank)