EVE General Discussion

…except that it doesn't bypass anything. It is working just as it should and there is no exploit.

No. You didn't illustrate what part of the rule-set is being by-passed or what the supposed exploit is. All you've done so far is illustrate that you are not familiar with what the rule-set is.

Margin trading in this game is crap, CCP allows it. Enough said.

nothing wrong with margin trading, the problem is with people looking at the price of something and assuming "hey, im sure GOD made it like that, how else would that be there, right? its not like the price of something could possibly be something other than the god given, natural price of it, right? im sure no other magical mysterious force can be at play here."

the day people understand that the price tag any item has on the market is just part of makes up the price of that item, margin trading scams will be over. but that would be as bizarre as people realizing that the price on 100% of the stuff we buy IRL is a completely made up number that doesn't reflect costs of production at all, its just what the suckers are willing to pay for it.

how else can you explain why people insist on saying that steve obs was some kind of genius? they got suckered in to pay 1k usd for an item they didn't need, there no way in hell they will admit they been scammed, they better claim it was some genius move.

come to think about it, why don't people make threads listing the name of the character that got them to buy some contract or some crap at 1000x its real value to try to fill a fantasy buy order and say stuff like "omg, this guys is a business genius!"





by all means, do. there's a lot of money to be made out of the uninformed and stupid.

Yes CCP allows scams, but margin trading is still crap in this game. Btw got nothing to get over as I don't care either way.

Scammers target those who like to make a quick buck, without the inside knowledge of how the market works, thinking they are smart enough to get away with it. They only have themselves to blame. Margin trading is not the problem, people are.

Yes. In that statement you could replace margin trading with any number of things, and it would hold true.

The player wallet is incapable of being pushed into negative values.
Margin trading allows you to place buy orders which exceed your wallet value.
when players attempt to sell to the buy order, it is cancelled due to the buyer not having enough funds in their wallet.

this is an exploit.

The Scam is putting people into this position so they can utilize this exploit.

So, here is what happens:

Player 1 puts up an order for something WAAAAY above market price, for an item which sells 1-2 a day, tops, with a minimum order for 30.

Player 2 comes along "LOL, this guy is an idiot, he wants to pay more than market price....sucker!!"

Player 2 goes off and scurries to the next region, sees some of this item listed cheap..."Hehe, this guy here is just as dumb, he is selling 30 of this item below market price....IDIOT!"

Player 2 comes back to sell the stuff, having now "ripped off" 2 players, or so he thinks....only to find player 1 didnt have enough isk in his wallet, and now Player 2 has 30 of an item which will take him forever to sell.

Quite possibly, he could have considered "If this guy wants the item so much, why didnt he buy out all the ones on the market and save himself money?", at which point, he might have figured..."Because he is trying to make me end up with all his worthless junk", especially when he sees the item listed, with a similar time, or on contracts.

However, he has $$ in his eyes, and thinks he is going to get free isk.

This, as with contract scams is where the problem comes....when someone thinks "LOL, what an idiot, they are selling Zydrine for 20 isk / unit, FREE ISK!!"


The usual use of margin trading, which you seem to think leaves players out of pocket, does no such thing. If I have a buy order in Jita for 10 EANM IIs, and I dont get enough isk into my wallet to fill the order....the person selling to me will just sell to the next buy order instead, as if mine had been filled while they were trying to sell.

…except that it's not an exploit and that there are consequences to not having the ISK to fill your buy order. The margin trading mechanic simply ensures that no-one loses anything in the process.

No. It's intended game mechanics: if you don't have the money, you don't get the goods. Margin trading does not change this. No mechanics are being bypassed. There is no exploit.

There's plenty of consequence: you pay the full market fee without getting the full order of goods. If it's a big order (and it often is if you're into really benefiting from the skill), your goods suddenly became a whole lot more expensive.

…the ability to use your ISK more effectively when you're into heavy trading, by not having it all tied up in long-term deals. Since it's designed in such a way that neither party can ever be cheated out of their belongings, it adds a fair bit of value and there's no reason to remove it.

It certainly isn't a skill's fault that some players choose not to research their investments and buy stuff at way above market value.