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Skill FitDummy ofEFT
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-28 19:31:06 UTC
Greetings: I am thinking of using the following Rattlesnake build to run anomalies is nullsec and considering the following fitting:

For the purposes of this fitting, Im assuming the ship HAS to be a Rattlesnake and I really want to fly it, am I fitting it correctly for Tech I sentries and Tech I cruise? I am working towards Tech II sentries now and then will be doing Cruise missiles.

Is this fitting ideal or is there another fitting that does better DPS, applied DPS, etc. with my limitations.

Thanks.

[Rattlesnake, Test]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Booster II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Bay Loading Accelerator I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Republic Fleet Bouncer x5
Garde I x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#2 - 2013-06-28 20:34:16 UTC
Two things that might help.

1. Do not use this ship until you are skilled for T2 Cruise Launchers and T2 Sentry Drones.
2. Fitting a propulsion module will help at mitigating damage away from you/your drones. A MJD fits setups like this very good.
Thelyn
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-28 20:48:34 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Two things that might help.

1. Do not use this ship until you are skilled for T2 Cruise Launchers and T2 Sentry Drones.
2. Fitting a propulsion module will help at mitigating damage away from you/your drones. A MJD fits setups like this very good.


Maybe something more like this, then:

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet II x5
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-28 20:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
dont be lazy, active tank it and turn it into a monster.

[Rattlesnake, pve]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor

Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II


Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5


700 DPS at 112km with drones only. 220 From precision cruise, will hit cruiser and above for full damage mostly.

Garde IIs have 60km optimal, combined with furies will be wrecking battleships for 1.1k DPS within 60km

Art of Explosions
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-28 23:09:18 UTC
[Rattlesnake, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pith C-Type Explosive Deflection Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Large Ancillary Shield Booster,Navy Cap Booster 150
Target Painter II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Republic Fleet Bouncer x5



I assume you doing angels. 600 dps tank is more than enough from 1 asb. You warp to 100km. You can target at 150km and cover that range with missiles . Drones are hitting from 100km further away is for missiles . Tracking of drones is more than enough and target painter will help you with the frigs and bc. Also the rattler is cheap as hell compared to some other suggestions.

Also combined dps = 870 . I wouldnt use gardes to angels no need for that. Skilling to T2 will upgrade the ship on all aspects

Ride hard, live with passion 
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-06-29 11:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
dont be lazy, active tank it and turn it into a monster.

[Rattlesnake, pve]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor

Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II


Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5


700 DPS at 112km with drones only. 220 From precision cruise, will hit cruiser and above for full damage mostly.

Garde IIs have 60km optimal, combined with furies will be wrecking battleships for 1.1k DPS within 60km



Black eagle....has this ever flown outside of an eft dps graph?


Your tank is too high for a mjd setup. Hint, you jump 100km's, do a few full cycles on the reps...and are usually done while bulk of enemy is not even halway to you. You bling tanks that don't mjd...they get beat down more. MJD setups you try to save Isk by t2 ing. Especially if sniping...which you are with your sentries
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#7 - 2013-06-29 12:16:42 UTC
Yeah Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentors are pretty useless especially with T2 Drone Link Augmentors providing 2km less control range for 200x less cost.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-29 16:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Dato Koppla wrote:
Yeah Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentors are pretty useless especially with T2 Drone Link Augmentors providing 2km less control range for 200x less cost.


10 less cpu per module makes a big difference.

Zan Shiro wrote:
Black eagle....has this ever flown outside of an eft dps graph?


Your tank is too high for a mjd setup. Hint, you jump 100km's, do a few full cycles on the reps...and are usually done while bulk of enemy is not even halway to you. You bling tanks that don't mjd...they get beat down more. MJD setups you try to save Isk by t2 ing. Especially if sniping...which you are with your sentries


The tank is hardly bling, combined total of maybe 140m on a 700m hull and at 60km you DO take damage.

Art of Explosions
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#9 - 2013-06-29 17:23:12 UTC
This is mine:

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Drones_Active=Garde II,5
Drones_Inactive=Bouncer II,5

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-06-29 17:44:06 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
dont be lazy, active tank it and turn it into a monster.

[Rattlesnake, pve]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor

Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II


Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5


700 DPS at 112km with drones only. 220 From precision cruise, will hit cruiser and above for full damage mostly.

Garde IIs have 60km optimal, combined with furies will be wrecking battleships for 1.1k DPS within 60km




Mine is more or less like yours except I've privileged Missile rigs due to drones rigs being only about sentries and no pimp at all except 5 Fed Navy Ogres for pwnage and Rock&Rol.
With 5 Fed Navy Ogres the little beast pushes 850 dps and 167 explosion radius of those Cruise Missiles (faction) makes it rather scaring for cruiser sized ships, added an heavy neut and of course XL-ASB 120K EHP before implants/links and combat boosters.
But I'm actually thinking about scrap those missile rigs for buffer tank rigs and use exclusively precision cruise missiles.

Want to make it a huge EHP bait with 2+K rep ability just for lulz to pop expensive black ops, and if it pops (because it will) welp the hell that might well be a very funny fight Lol

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-29 18:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
I never felt an active RS was worth the bother over a regular one. More DPS but *so* much more hassle than I could be arsed with. YMMV, of course. As may your tolerence for said hassle with your limitations.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2013-06-29 21:06:06 UTC
anoms against angels... between being able to warp in at range and a mjd you should be able to face roll that. that said I'd probably just load fofs and try not to fall asleep. I wouldn't want to be much further than 50-60km just because of missile travel time (and the wasted volleys), but far enough that your bouncers can pop frigs. I'd take the fit from the OP and just drop an omni or hardener for a sensor booster. and probably drop the damage control for another drone damage amp.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Seraph Minayin
Accounts Payable.
#13 - 2013-07-07 09:28:13 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Two things that might help.

1. Do not use this ship until you are skilled for T2 Cruise Launchers and T2 Sentry Drones.
2. Fitting a propulsion module will help at mitigating damage away from you/your drones. A MJD fits setups like this very good.


T2 Cruise add very little DPS to Rattlesnakes. They're drone boats, T1 Cruise is fine. If you compare the DPS gain vs training time for T2 cruise, you'd be far better off maxing your drone DPS.

And yes, T2 sentries are great, but the ship works fine with just T1 while you train for them.

Lemming Fleet - First Admiral
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-07-07 09:51:42 UTC
Don't use a Rattlesnake with T1 Sentries unless you're the kind of person who would fly a meta-fit Machariel.
Seraph Minayin
Accounts Payable.
#15 - 2013-07-07 11:34:36 UTC
T1 vs T2 Bouncers at otherwise max skills only loses you 120ish DPS. That's not a deal breaker for ratting by any means.

But I agree that Meta fitting a Machariel is a downright sin.

Lemming Fleet - First Admiral
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#16 - 2013-07-07 15:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Q 5
Seraph Minayin wrote:
T1 vs T2 Bouncers at otherwise max skills only loses you 120ish DPS. That's not a deal breaker for ratting by any means.

But I agree that Meta fitting a Machariel is a downright sin.

Sadly, I walk back to my hanger, strip fittings off the Machariel (meta 4 fit) put for sale sign on it, walks away head downOops
Whitehound
#17 - 2013-07-07 15:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
dont be lazy, active tank it and turn it into a monster.

[Rattlesnake, pve]
...
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
...
700 DPS at 112km with drones only. 220 From precision cruise, will hit cruiser and above for full damage mostly.
...

Your locking range is only 93km.

[Rattlesnake, MJD+AB+Sentries]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

Large Micro Jump Drive
10MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision / Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision / Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision / Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision / Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5
Warden II x5

This uses an MJD and an AB. You jump out of range and start shooting from 100km. Locking range is 122km, drone control goes out to 108km. Once you have killed all do you jump back and can use the AB to get to gates and/or mission loot.

The tank is almost unnecessary, but will still do 337 eHP/s for more than a minute and might make jumping for some missions (or mission pockets) unnecessary. The DPS at 108km with Warden IIs and Furies is 875 DPS. Bouncer IIs and Furies at 104km deal 969 DPS. Garde IIs and Furies at 50km deal 1063 DPS.

The Signal Amplifier II not only increases your locking range, but lets you lock on faster, too, and gives you 9 (+2) targets.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#18 - 2013-07-07 15:56:33 UTC
Out of curiosity, why are you using a rattler? And specific reason?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-07-07 20:36:17 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
Seraph Minayin wrote:
T1 vs T2 Bouncers at otherwise max skills only loses you 120ish DPS. That's not a deal breaker for ratting by any means.

But I agree that Meta fitting a Machariel is a downright sin.

Sadly, I walk back to my hanger, strip fittings off the Machariel (meta 4 fit) put for sale sign on it, walks away head downOops


is it ALL meta 4? Meta 4 guns are ok but everything else should be faction/t2..

Art of Explosions
Sylvester Tweet
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-07-08 00:17:13 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Out of curiosity, why are you using a rattler? And specific reason?



The 'name' rattlesnake make's it cool alone. min/max is so relative when you're playing EvE, especially if you pay out of pocket and are actually enjoying the game and not worrying about your min/maxed isk/hr
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