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level 4 mission isk per hour

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BerSerKer 13
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-06 10:38:18 UTC
i was wondering how much has changed in the isk per hour on level 4 mission ruining on on toon in high sec 2-3 years ago i was making around 8-15m per hour depending on mission is there a chart out there now or could someone give me a good estimet i have hard that it has gained quite a bit
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-06 11:27:07 UTC
8-15m per hour is pretty low...I think I could probably make more doing level 3s.

If anything missioning is less profitable than it was before odyssey since salvage now comes from exploration and rumours have been that salvage from mission wrecks were reduced.

In spite of all that if you're doing it right you can do 50m+ per hour quite casually and the pro mission runners can do 80m+ on a good day. Remember most of the money comes from the LP rewards.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-06 13:09:54 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
8-15m per hour is pretty low...I think I could probably make more doing level 3s.

If anything missioning is less profitable than it was before odyssey since salvage now comes from exploration and rumours have been that salvage from mission wrecks were reduced.

In spite of all that if you're doing it right you can do 50m+ per hour quite casually and the pro mission runners can do 80m+ on a good day. Remember most of the money comes from the LP rewards.


Nothing about missioning has been buffed in the past 3 years, but there's been plenty of nerfs. Loot table nerf seriously eat into loot value, salvage prices dropped hugely, LP value is outside of FW is worthless, and drone aggro increases mission times and drone replacement costs.

If he only managed to shoot 8 rats a hour 3 years ago, it will be 7 today, and will worth less.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-07-06 18:31:04 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
8-15m per hour is pretty low...I think I could probably make more doing level 3s.

If anything missioning is less profitable than it was before odyssey since salvage now comes from exploration and rumours have been that salvage from mission wrecks were reduced.

In spite of all that if you're doing it right you can do 50m+ per hour quite casually and the pro mission runners can do 80m+ on a good day. Remember most of the money comes from the LP rewards.


Nothing about missioning has been buffed in the past 3 years, but there's been plenty of nerfs. Loot table nerf seriously eat into loot value, salvage prices dropped hugely, LP value is outside of FW is worthless, and drone aggro increases mission times and drone replacement costs.

If he only managed to shoot 8 rats a hour 3 years ago, it will be 7 today, and will worth less.


They also put in the Tornado which means if you're running a deadspace XLSB you're going to get suicide ganked, it's only a matter of time, even if you've got only T2 gear in every other slot.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-07-06 19:45:40 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
8-15m per hour is pretty low...I think I could probably make more doing level 3s.

If anything missioning is less profitable than it was before odyssey since salvage now comes from exploration and rumours have been that salvage from mission wrecks were reduced.

In spite of all that if you're doing it right you can do 50m+ per hour quite casually and the pro mission runners can do 80m+ on a good day. Remember most of the money comes from the LP rewards.


Nothing about missioning has been buffed in the past 3 years, but there's been plenty of nerfs. Loot table nerf seriously eat into loot value, salvage prices dropped hugely, LP value is outside of FW is worthless, and drone aggro increases mission times and drone replacement costs.

If he only managed to shoot 8 rats a hour 3 years ago, it will be 7 today, and will worth less.


They also put in the Tornado which means if you're running a deadspace XLSB you're going to get suicide ganked, it's only a matter of time, even if you've got only T2 gear in every other slot.


I don't disagree that the Tornado is a bit OP for ganking but I've ran an deadspace XLSB and faction damage mods on several ships for over two years now and no ganks... Maybe I'm just lucky? I don't go crazy with faction/deadspace guns, SBA, invulns etc though.
marVLs
#6 - 2013-07-06 20:06:03 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
8-15m per hour is pretty low...I think I could probably make more doing level 3s.

If anything missioning is less profitable than it was before odyssey since salvage now comes from exploration and rumours have been that salvage from mission wrecks were reduced.

In spite of all that if you're doing it right you can do 50m+ per hour quite casually and the pro mission runners can do 80m+ on a good day. Remember most of the money comes from the LP rewards.


Nothing about missioning has been buffed in the past 3 years, but there's been plenty of nerfs. Loot table nerf seriously eat into loot value, salvage prices dropped hugely, LP value is outside of FW is worthless, and drone aggro increases mission times and drone replacement costs.

If he only managed to shoot 8 rats a hour 3 years ago, it will be 7 today, and will worth less.


They also put in the Tornado which means if you're running a deadspace XLSB you're going to get suicide ganked, it's only a matter of time, even if you've got only T2 gear in every other slot.


I don't disagree that the Tornado is a bit OP for ganking but I've ran an deadspace XLSB and faction damage mods on several ships for over two years now and no ganks... Maybe I'm just lucky? I don't go crazy with faction/deadspace guns, SBA, invulns etc though.




Because it's easier and more profitable to gank freighters and pimped T3's, no need to worry too much about BS with DED rep and few faction mods.

About that income: yeah it was better some time ago, but now it's something about 60-100kk/h with good LP exchange (let's say 2.5:1) and no salvaging (not worth with good skills and ship)
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2013-07-06 20:14:55 UTC
salvage has been on a long ride down in value. first with the introduction of small/medium/large rigs, and then again with the noctis. Loot took a bit of a dive, not sure how much of it is people just aren't buying meta stuff as much, or of more of it drops now. Meta 4 loot has dropped to tech 2 price or less in many cases.

and a pith b-type x-large shield booster (132m in jita) is cheaper than a caldari navy xl (150m), doubt anyone will gank you just for that. now if you are fitting a gist xl booster your fortune may quickly change. 700m for the c-type up to 1.2b for the x-type. although with everything else t2 I doubt they would gank you for that either. since it has a 50/50 chance to drop I'd value it at 350m, and going to need 3 people (at least) to successfully gank it at a cost of around 100m per ship. Imo that isn't really worth their time, although they still might do it for lulz. and anyways prior to the tornado I could have just slapped 8x 1400s on an apoc and insured it to the point I broke even.

outside of loot/salvage stuff hasn't really changed. if anything ships and weapons have been made better (and/or people just fit them better) so killing them npcs is easier. And all agents are quality 20, so more rewards/lp from everyone!

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#8 - 2013-07-06 20:25:35 UTC
marVLs wrote:
... and no salvaging (not worth with good skills and ship)

Really strange thing about that, I expected the new Capital rigs to vacuum up all the cheap salvage on the market and create a higher demand. Especially with Goons and Test killing / losing dreads and carriers at the rate they have these last few weeks.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#9 - 2013-07-07 04:36:09 UTC
I had to lol when I read this. Yes, there have been no buffs to missioning and there have been nerfs. However, the cost of minerals is way up compared to when you played. Its no problem to make 80 mil an hour on one account before LP these days, if you are looting and salvaging.

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James Morgan
Pod Republic
#10 - 2013-07-07 16:21:15 UTC
anywhere between 50 to 100 mil/hr depending upon missions, including looting only specific missions and LP payouts (at around 1000 isk / LP )
Rexxorr
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-07-07 16:46:30 UTC
Isk per hour ? 30-60 mill isk depending on the missions you get, how you figure your time for converting lp into isk, hauling around and selling salvage an lp faction (easy/hard sell) items.


Check out the kills around osmon, marauders are dying left and right too tornado gank squads. Most of those dying marauders are nowhere near pimp fit. Course if they turn on hardeners a few less would die...
Smark Shardani
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-07-08 00:27:33 UTC
I get about 150m ISK per hour with L4 missions currently.
ExcalibursTemplar
Citadel Enterprises
#13 - 2013-07-08 16:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ExcalibursTemplar
In liquid isk from bounties and Agent rewards and bounses i can make around 50 mill an hour. Add on top of that i can get say between say 50k and 70k LP which can be cashed in at minimum for 1000isk/1LP upto 4000isk/1LP.

The 1000isk/1LP are more your instant cash out items that you get instantly from Jita where as the 4000isk/LP items are things you have to sit on for a while and move them to certain areas (not JITA).
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#14 - 2013-07-08 16:41:46 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
marVLs wrote:
... and no salvaging (not worth with good skills and ship)

Really strange thing about that, I expected the new Capital rigs to vacuum up all the cheap salvage on the market and create a higher demand. Especially with Goons and Test killing / losing dreads and carriers at the rate they have these last few weeks.


It will probably take time for the price to increase, you need to wait for the pre rigged capitals that are stocked up to get popped first. However, if the capital rigs are deemed by the masses as too expensive to be worthwhile, then the capitals will remain unrigged, and the prices will remain.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.

Nour Aerilon
Inhumanum Legionis
#15 - 2013-07-08 17:12:18 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I had to lol when I read this. Yes, there have been no buffs to missioning and there have been nerfs. However, the cost of minerals is way up compared to when you played. Its no problem to make 80 mil an hour on one account before LP these days, if you are looting and salvaging.



U only make 80 mil from one account? I probably make 185 mil/h from one account before even doing the mission.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#16 - 2013-07-08 17:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Nour Aerilon wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
I had to lol when I read this. Yes, there have been no buffs to missioning and there have been nerfs. However, the cost of minerals is way up compared to when you played. Its no problem to make 80 mil an hour on one account before LP these days, if you are looting and salvaging.



U only make 80 mil from one account? I probably make 185 mil/h from one account before even doing the mission.

LOL congrats you won EVE

Edit: I guess I should E-peen a little too, I make between 1 to 3 billion a day without logging in. It's all a matter of perspective.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Nour Aerilon
Inhumanum Legionis
#17 - 2013-07-08 17:31:31 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Nour Aerilon wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
I had to lol when I read this. Yes, there have been no buffs to missioning and there have been nerfs. However, the cost of minerals is way up compared to when you played. Its no problem to make 80 mil an hour on one account before LP these days, if you are looting and salvaging.



U only make 80 mil from one account? I probably make 185 mil/h from one account before even doing the mission.

LOL congrats you won EVE

Edit: I guess I should E-peen a little too, I make between 1 to 3 billion a day without logging in. It's all a matter of perspective.



185mil * 24=4,44 bil
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#18 - 2013-07-08 17:58:36 UTC
Nour Aerilon wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Nour Aerilon wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
I had to lol when I read this. Yes, there have been no buffs to missioning and there have been nerfs. However, the cost of minerals is way up compared to when you played. Its no problem to make 80 mil an hour on one account before LP these days, if you are looting and salvaging.



U only make 80 mil from one account? I probably make 185 mil/h from one account before even doing the mission.

LOL congrats you won EVE

Edit: I guess I should E-peen a little too, I make between 1 to 3 billion a day without logging in. It's all a matter of perspective.



185mil * 24=4,44 bil

I guess you missed the point, The OP wasn't asking for how to make billions a day Marketing, Moon mining, Scamming, or whatever else there is..... he just wanted to know what to expect for Missions.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#19 - 2013-07-08 18:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Nour Aerilon wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
I had to lol when I read this. Yes, there have been no buffs to missioning and there have been nerfs. However, the cost of minerals is way up compared to when you played. Its no problem to make 80 mil an hour on one account before LP these days, if you are looting and salvaging.



U only make 80 mil from one account? I probably make 185 mil/h from one account before even doing the mission.


No, I make 80 million cash an hour missioning on one account. Learn how to ******* read before trying to be smug.

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internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Kahlell
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-07-08 18:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahlell
I suspect the OP meant per mission rather than per hour. If that's the case then yeah, it hasn't really changed much.
Per hour statistics are so misleading because there are so many factors that come into play: ship, ammo, skills, types of missions, standings, security status etc.
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