Ships & Modules

hard facts have no place here.....this is a eft warriori/ bagillion isk fit debate. Eft says xyz damage is there....that is all lol.

But seriously....defenders do cut down the dps a decent amount. Only fix for that I now of is to not group launchers. Then you get the fun of pressing each laucher individually. This way defenders jsut kill one fish, not a bundle.

Could also point once in range loki will spew ac rounds to kill stuff faster than a kiting tengu at 100km's with misisle flight time....but that would be outside the realm of eft as well. BUt grass is greener here. I went from missiles to guns for the instant hit. I've lost millions in ammo in missile salvos that hit target dead along time ago....the allure of them ain't so alluring for me tbh lol. Only way to fix this is remember per rat race per ship how many salvos you need at snipe ranges. That gets old too.

"High dps?" Missiles?

Btw, ever heard of exp radius and exp velocity? Guns have one dmg mitigating factor - tracking, handled by mod. Missiles have 2, handled by 2 different rigs.

with all due respect, i didnt start this thread to be educated about missiles and Tengus. i know how they work. ive been on both ends of the relationship many times. that being said, HM's will wear down your inty/AF in 30-ish seconds or so. speed tanking goes a long way in reducing damage, but you cannot outrun missiles like you used to be able to.

HML 100MB AB Tengus are beasts and can handle anything. it is a stupid, unbalanced ship. the cookie cutter setup is out and everyone's grandma is using one.

don't bringi real game missile performance in this thread....this is eft only territory here lol. Almost as bad as the guy mentioning defenders (which will wipe out a good chunk of dps unless you run ungrouped launchers.....but then you have to turn on each launcher every enemy and every reload) lol.

Next up someone like me will point at unless you have a real good memory at 100kms unless you know how many salvos to fire per race per ship a tengu can waste lots of ammo as you have 12 to 18 missiles about to hit space dust. My rof with skill + implant at 100 I can get 3 salvos wasted if I don't pay attention. Fury about 1-2 salvos with the less range they have...


Well that and the only time I have ever seen my eft damage is shooitng a structure. Faster than 0 m/s speed....the damage goes down. Faster the target, more the decrease.

You don't need to outrun missiles, just stay out of web range and the damage they do will fall under your passive regen. I've been tackled in a Drake for upwards of 10 minutes (lost my drones earlier) and was very much raging at this fact as his buddies were slowly able to trickle in and finally got a warp-in to scram/web me.

Another one not understanding how radial, transversal and sign affects lasers/projectiles/hybrids.

Missiles are fine, the defenders sent by rats are nothing compared to transversal/radial effects on other weapon system.

If you really complain about that...omg.

this news just in: ships that are the best at somthing, are the best at it.

seesh, wheres all the NERF HULK threads, i hear they mine more than a BS WITH 8 LAZORZ


seesh.

wait for the new bc's if you want to see every man and his dog in one in 5 minutes flat pwning everything.

Please look at the description of the Machariel again. Its not necessarily a pirate design and is actually very Jovian, so indeed even the Machariel is an advanced alien technology hence it being superior in many ways to other ships.

1. There are many, many ships can faceroll PvE without risk. No one is claiming the Vargur needs a nerf.
2. Faceroll without risk in a PvP situation? You are going to have to explain what you mean here, because I can think of so very many situations where I'd never, ever take a Tengu.

Realistically, there are quite a few ships out there with only a single or handful of counters in 1v1. Thing is, on TQ, you're not worried about 1v1, you're worried about who or what that Drake is baiting for, is it going to come off the undock, through a cyno or jumping a gate, etc.

That being said: A dual LAR Tempest can solo you, if you're silly and he's flying well.

(apologies tho, I can't find the KM anymore)