Missions & Complexes

Just for the record, I don't like the mini hacking game or the loot spew. It's a waste of time and nothing more than a click-fest for low reward at great risk.

Completing the hack and chasing the loot on just one can greatly redirects the pilots attention from the UI / Overview / D-scan and any on-grid activity at least for a couple of minutes. Multiply that time by the amount of cans present at the site and the pilots relative safety is now greatly compromised which allows much more chance of being surprised and taken by unfriendly forces.

Well, I think I've made my opinion of this new mini hacking game quite clear.

Now, about it being luck based, that could be true. I think most people will say it's due to RNG. That's always their fallback answer around here.

As for me, I have maxed skills and use T2 modules. That's it, nothing more. I don't have any problem completing the hacks. I just simply click, and click, and click, and click, and click, etc. The luck part is during the loot spew, hopefully get the right cans before they de-spawn.

As I said before, the mini hacking game and loot spew is nothing more than a giant click fest which makes the pilots ship a giant red bulls-eye target for unfriendly forces.


DMC

Sorry, I disagree.

I have no problem completing the hack just fine. I haven't had to do any second attempts nor have I had any cans blow up due to unsuccessful hack attempts.

Maxed skills and top equipment definitely makes a difference. With that being said, I still don't like the mini hacking game or loot spew.



DMC

I'd say largely luck. I have a max skilled pilot with T2 mods and rigs, and I have a fair number of failed attempts in wormhole relic and data sites. Sometimes I just get bad luck and run into like 3 reinforcement nodes in a row or crap like that.

Outside of wormholes it still feels mostly random luck but they aren't nearly as hard.

The loot spew only need you to be organized and know in advance which can to pick. Also ALWAYS pick the first cans spewed first, as they will despawn first.

The Hacking game can feel kind of luck-based when you come across multiple reinforcement nodes, but that dosen't happen THAT often, and usually the second attempt prove much more successfull.

After that, don't forget that only the loot spew is timed, not the hacking game. So you really shouldn't hurry yourself in the game and check for D-scan. The only scenario where you should get at all cost a can open and hurry is when you see a faction tower BPC in it. Otherwise it's not worth the risk if your d-scan is acting up.

And don't waste time with petty loot : scan a can, target what you want, and leave behind everything else, even if you can still pick some cans after you got what you wanted. If it's not on the cargo scan, it's wortheless. If it's in the cargo scan, check for price and don't pick worthless skillbook/useless bpc and such.

It's not for everybody, but i consider it a vast improvment over the old hacking/archeology system.

It`s hacking attempts not first time hacking attempts. Both attempts are counted in that percentage, you don`t add anything to it.

It's possible to get unlucky in this new minigame, like getting three 90 firewalls in a row and no way around. But that doesn't happen often. In most cases you can hack the container by using the right strategy.

That's how I end up feeling about it. People can argue that there is not luck involved with this minigame but honestly there is. I have literally only had one direction to go off the start and that first circle was a reinforce node and then the next one after that was a reinforce node. It seems like people have mixed feelings about it which is understandable. I don't mind the loot spew just because I use a cargo scanner and that makes life easier.

Its just in situations were the first two nodes you click are reinforce nodes I don't see how skill can play into that. Granted in the long run people with max skills and the right equipment will have higher success. The question I really tried to discuss most about is if this mini-game should be luck based or not. Cause any one who does not think there is at least a little bit of luck involved is silly. To be clear not at all talking about loot spew. There is actually less luck involved in that then doing the mini game in my opinion. Its fairly easy to scan the cargo container see its a bpo then just click all the data cans lol.

Over all I do totally think its fun and happy its here. I just wanted to see what some of the maxed out skill players and what not think about it. Cause some of these 0.0 sites have some crazy cans and WH's as well lol. I wanted to see if its truly worth committing to the full training to get the maximum success chance for it or if I would get similar results either way.

I can routinely do data/relic sites in 0.5 and 0.6 space. I've done 20 hacks or so, and the only one I failed was because I was inattentive. It's super easy, no challenge at all, but I imagine hack sites are harder in low-sec and in wormhole space.

I looked up somes intel on WH hacking and it really seem more luck-based than anything in k-space. I can see the frustration, but i think WH hacking is more based around the "limitless attempt, only have to fight at each unsuccessfull attempt" scenario, while K-Space is about the "2 attempt and kaboom". You WILL open the can eventually in WH,because it never explode, you only have to fight your way through more if you are unlucky/got less skill.

Also, remember than in k-space, if you open the can on the second attempt, there is more cans who spew out at the end, so it's more difficult to get what you want than if you suceed at first try. WH hacking also don't have this.

So i think it's all fair, you only have to get that the philosophy behing WH hacking is different than the one behind K-space hacking.

God forbid you have some actual player interaction or a bit of risk for your reward right?