EVE General Discussion

29 pages and basically what I'm gathering is this:

1) Stupid bad players want special handholding and coddling because they do not understand the game they're playing.
2) Stupid bad players refuse to do anything to help themselves
3) That S Bwhatever guy has no clue about the issue, or computer systems, etc

tell me more about physics models in a game where ships have maximum velocities

Their baseline F1-score was 0.2 -- in their male specific case they got this to 0.28, proving that including gender (and potentially other personal information) into their study increased it's performance.

Neither 0.2 or 0.28 are good F1-scores, though (some cases were as low as 0.08), and you would be utterly insane if you wanted to use a system with such a metric of accuracy to determine anything. The difference between the precision and recall scores suggests refining the algorithm will allow it to identify obvious instances, but will largely be at a loss at classifying the entire dataset.

If you want to sit around pontificating over whether such a study could possibly achieve better if not for the limitations in the method, then find me such.
I've had a good look around, and this is as good as it gets, which is not encouraging in any way to your point.

You're not going to get very far by simply leaping up and down and yelling that you know more about it than I do, whilst coming up with "evidence" that at best suggests work in the field is progressing.

Yap all you want - when speaking on the subject of "determining harassment by text-mining is easy" you linked a study which literally states "determining harassment by text-mining (even with other data supporting it) is not easy".

I'm laughing at your superior intellect.

The irony here being, that a large part of the meaning of the short story can be taken as an argument at how absurd it is to try to prove a negative - something this S Byerley thinks is a good debate technique.

That's because, in reality, there are so few cases of harassment and (like with this one) it takes no effort whatever to determine that it isn't. The problem comes when you actually have a case that could be harassment, in which case you will have to dig into other sources to determine the intent, because the actions alone won't do that. So it's only rare in the cases that don't matter — for the cases that do, it'll be obligatory.

…aside from determining intent, which will be required if it is to be classified as harassment.

You might expect a "fly by wire" system of ships moving in space to more or less behave as they would in the atmosphere here on Earth. Why? It's what our brains have evolved to understand. For a real world example, I refer you to the utter failure that was combat in Frontier, which had a true Newtonian physics model, compared to the utterly wonderful non-realistic flight model in Freelancer.

Let us apply the "reasonable expectation test" to the model, then. Is it your "reasonable expectation" that a freighter that's 1,000x the mass of some other ship should be prevented from aligning by that other ship bumping into it, for over an hour?

I think the answer has to be "No Victoria. It is not."

Confirming Im stupid bad people

In the end all this thread boils down to us botching a gank. We are sorry about this and garentee the third one to take no more than ten minutes of your freinds time.

You wouldn't have any problem with CCP limiting the timer to 10m then?

How on earth are you still acting like intention isn't key?

I'll present two really simple situations for you to mull over:

Before we start, lets remember that if I kill the freighter, that is legitimate use of the tactic: I have destroyed someone elses assets, possibly profited from it, etc. So it's absolutely, unarguably valid if I kill it at the end. It is *possibly* harassment if I don't kill it, and instead just keep it stuck without purpose.

Situation 1: I bump a freighter for one hour with my mach just as pure harassment (theres of course an entirely different argument about what constitutes harassment - a single instance, even if it lasts an hour, would not, in my opinion, but thats not relevant right now - lets assume it is). After the hour, I leave, satisfied.

Situation 2: I bump a freighter for one hour with my mach as I intend to kill it. I'm waiting for buddies of mine to get themselves online and in catalysts and get to gate. Something important pops up (wife, phonecall, powercut, whatever) that causes/forces me to leave the game, letting the freighter escape despite my intentions to eventually kill it.

Without making a judgement about my intent, and without being able to know the factors outside the game itself, how would you determine which one is harassment and which isn't?

Hint: You can't