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ImmutableDark

Absalom.

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#21 - 2013-07-05 06:00:22 UTC

IbanezLaney wrote:

ImmutableDark wrote:

Ciyrine wrote:

Hello, complete newb here. Im trying to get a mental image of different pvp situations.

Im aware of gate camps, mining ganks, jita, mission, plex ganks. And feel comfortable whats happening here.

1) I have a vague idea that fw exists where missions are done and pvp happens but u take faction standing hits. Where do i signup for fw? After that a warp into a system and find what? Hundreds of frigates blowing each other up in a thunderdome setting? Please paint a picture for me. Im still working on my core competancy skills and building up a bank role to fund frigate losses. Reading and learning in the meantime.

2) ive heard about rvb. Where do i sign up and how does it differ from faction warfare? Whos running rvb? 2 corps that want to have fun...player generated content? Hows this pvp look....just 2 corps perpetually in wardec fighting across all of eve? Or thunderdome set for certain days?

3) i know some players go on solo/small gang roams looking for targets. They do this in low or null? Why arent they instantly curb stomped by the corp holding that space? How are they finding pvp ships to kill that dont instantly dock? Im not interested in killing afk miners(maybe that will change with time but doesnt seem to scratch the itch)

4) i know some players go on solo/gang roams in wh. Is this where almost all pvp happens on account of no local? So u get higher chance that target wont insta dock? Arent wh residents the most paranoid group. Watching the entrances for warp flashes. Bubbling the entrance. Spamming dscan with corpmates doing the same?

Im trying to get a picture of how the scene plays out so while im waiting for my skills i can gain as much theory knowldge as possible and shorten my learning curb for when i start flying and losing frigs

Well you both warp scramble each other and whoever trolls the other person more wins.

The KB says you are not trolling well enough. Big smile

I only kill people in self defense I'm a holy man.

School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 49
Elsa Nietchize School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 49	#22 - 2013-07-05 17:35:59 UTC Chessur wrote: I can't tell you the large difference between brave newbies / RvB when compared to IVY. IVY is like some old smelly cheese you forgot in the back of your fridge for a few months. While RvB / Brave is like that new Brie cheese you have been saving for that extra special event. I love brie

Lychton Kondur

Brave Newbies Inc.

Brave Collective

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#23 - 2013-07-05 18:01:21 UTC

Brave Newbie here. This is my first character ever. I think I am 5 months old now.

I can't speak to Faction Warfare because BNI doesn't do that at all. The best we get is hitting a system in small gangs and try to harass whoever is there.

Gate-camping and other blobbery is ok and all, but it's not like a super rewarding experience. The only real benefit to this method is that I'm able to anchor to an FC and refill my adult beverages at my leisure. Athough BNI relies on the blob to make up for our collective lack of skill, I personally don't blob up just for the sake of it.

With that said, I have found immense satisfaction doing the following:

Set up an off grid safe approximately 30-45 degrees off of an asteroid belt at 200 and say 600. Just like fishing; crack open a beer, and wait for your D-scan to pop up. De-cloak, warp and kill any damn thing that lands regardless the type. The warp helps eat the time for your scram to work again, and you aren't giving away your intention by dropping combat probes. I think I've learned more meaningful things regarding ship capabilities by jumping my sometimes woefully inadequate ship into the fray.

Solo for me kind of sucks, but that's probably because I'm ****** at finding and hunting down the other guy in local. In that situation, I try to **** up local to see if a fight comes out of it. Conversely, sometimes I like warping to a belt with a neutral in it and align away, hoping that I can bait them into aggressing. Obviously, that doesn't work if you have a **** tank, ship mismatch, or if you're a kiter.

The easiest is to hit up a medium sized hub and either duel-bait someone, can flip, or straight up ask someone to Honor 1v1 you. Again, this isn't as fun as finding a juicy target, but it scratches the itch.

Lastly, (shameless plug incoming) we are pretty lucky over at BNI in that we are always wardecced. Sometimes, getting into a fight is as easy as setting my course to Amarr or G-5 and get ready for whatever comes my way. Then again, we did have four days where we weren't decced, and the feeling of not being an active target was surreal....and boring as ****. Also, being wardecced also ends up in lo

Anyway, I don't even know if this is helpful, so take it for what it's worth.

Jayem See

Perkone

Caldari State

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#24 - 2013-07-05 19:09:20 UTC

Just coming at this from a FW angle - other options are available.

The basic advice HAS to be to get into a corp that actually PvPs. It's tired advice but it is invaluable.

Joining Faction Warfare is as easy as clicking the Militia button in your station window. It is going to be pretty hard on your own though.

If you are interested then look into some FW corps, do your research and join some of their public channels. Chat to a few people and see which ones you get on with. Joining public channels will give you an idea of activity and attitude. Don't be shy - just ask questions.

Before you join FW think about where you live and where you can buy things. Make sure, as a newer player you don't overstretch yourself.

It is a lot of fun. Be prepared to lose ships, convo pilots after a fight and ask them why you lost, most players are actually really nice folks. The negative reactions you receive in threads like this are not the GENERAL reality of Eve.

I've had some great fights in the last week or so and chatted to people who beat me several times. Don't be a c0ck and people will help you out.

All about the attitude you bring to it!

Good luck.

Aaaaaaand relax.

Ciyrine

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#25 - 2013-07-05 21:15:03 UTC

Lychton Kondur wrote:

Set up an off grid safe approximately 30-45 degrees off of an asteroid belt at 200 and say 600. Just like fishing; crack open a beer, and wait for your D-scan to pop up. De-cloak, warp and kill any damn thing that lands regardless the type. The warp helps eat the time for your scram to work again, and you aren't giving away your intention by dropping combat probes. I think I've learned more meaningful things regarding ship capabilities by jumping my sometimes woefully inadequate ship into the fray.

Solo for me kind of sucks, but that's probably because I'm ****** at finding and hunting down the other guy in local. In that situation, I try to **** up local to see if a fight comes out of it. Conversely, sometimes I like warping to a belt with a neutral in it and align away, hoping that I can bait them into aggressing. Obviously, that doesn't work if you have a **** tank, ship mismatch, or if you're a kiter.

Why an off grid safe when ur hunting for pvp? Why not warp to anywhere already in system?

Why 30-45 degrers?

Why 200 and 600?

When u say wait for dscn to pop up u are looking for what? A miner? Someone passing thru? How u find them without probes?

Why do u have to wait for ur scram to work? Do u mean wait for ur lock to work after decloak?

If ur **** at solo because u cant find people from local what was all this advice? Group?

Lychton Kondur

Brave Newbies Inc.

Brave Collective

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#26 - 2013-07-05 21:34:54 UTC | Edited by: Lychton Kondur

Ciyrine wrote:

This method is really only reliable in a system that you are familiar with and spend a significant amount of time in. Think of it as a tactical perch. I call it my fishing hole.

I personally like the weird angle bc many people tend to point toward "cardinal" directions to burn to or are in line with warp-in points. At 45 degrees into deadspace, you make it more difficult for people to jump around on you.

I like 200 when I want to watch a resource cloaked and ON Grid. Normally, I don't attack from this spot due to the decloak timer. but it's nice to get a bead on people sometimes. 600 is really useful when I address D-scan.

So long as you are within 14.? AU you can quickly scan down belts, planets etc. Some people like the sun and scanning around. Your mileage may vary. However, when you are up on your 600+ perch you are effectively off grid. So, you change your D-scan short, say 5000km at 360 degrees, and you can sit and monitor for someone who lands for whatever reason. It may be a miner, a scout dude, a ratter, whatever.

Precisely, I think it's something like 20~ seconds? Unaligned, I burn more than half that time getting on grid. Then I align out to something to draw them in if they are too far. If they are close and I am brawl fit, it's easier to get into scram range.

No, all this advice is for setting up snares in systems where you live/play/spend time in to get some solo in. I'm crap at Solo roaming (Should have clarified that) using combat probes bc I dont currently have enough power/cpu to add that tool to my current pvp fits. Also using 5 degree long d-scan isn't as effective bc you can pick up assets in a POS or on a station thats inline where you are aiming.

Hope that clears things up a little bit.

God's Apples

Wilderness

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

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#27 - 2013-07-06 03:59:55 UTC

Danny John-Peter wrote:

[quote=Chessur]

11. Super high end PvP corps

Hatchery
Turn Left
Genos
Hydra
Aquila
and a few others i am forgetting about

If you can somehow get talking to the guys found in this environment, I highly suggest it. Most if not all of them have flown in alliance turnys, they have a ton of small gang pvp experience and are very knowledgeable about the game.

I'm still not considered ~elite~ Sad

On a more serious note I wouldn't ask ~elite~ PvPers how to PvP because it's:

-Not something that can be taught
-If you really have no idea how to PvP you won't really gain anymore than from talking to the average PvPer
-If you don't know much about PvP you can't gain from their expertise as you have no understanding of core concepts

This game requires heavy experimentation in order to find what you enjoy doing in it. Once you have found your play style then you should talk to someone more skilled than you with the same play style to gain knowledge. Otherwise, you're going to get the same 5 answers from everyone (i.e. "Fit up 50 frigates and get them blown up" and "Join RvB" and "If you try and solo you will get blobbed and it sucks").

Also, hydra is an alliance in which genos is a corp of. May want to learn your ~elite~ corps before you recommend them to someone.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX

VegasMirage

Blank-Space

Northern Coalition.

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#28 - 2013-07-06 07:57:56 UTC | Edited by: VegasMirage

God's Apples wrote:

Danny John-Peter wrote:

[quote=Chessur]

11. Super high end PvP corps

THE MARMITE COLLECTIVE destroying 1 trillion isk a month
Hatchery
Turn Left
Genos
Hydra
Aquila
and a few others i am forgetting about

If you can somehow get talking to the guys found in this environment, I highly suggest it. Most if not all of them have flown in alliance turnys, they have a ton of small gang pvp experience and are very knowledgeable about the game.

I'm still not considered ~elite~ Sad

Finally something we all agree on. ::closure::

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Chessur

Full Broadside

Deepwater Hooligans

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#29 - 2013-07-06 11:42:00 UTC

God's Apples wrote:

Danny John-Peter wrote:

[quote=Chessur]

11. Super high end PvP corps

Hatchery
Turn Left
Genos
Hydra
Aquila
and a few others i am forgetting about

If you can somehow get talking to the guys found in this environment, I highly suggest it. Most if not all of them have flown in alliance turnys, they have a ton of small gang pvp experience and are very knowledgeable about the game.

I'm still not considered ~elite~ Sad

I am sorry that I forgot :(

Baron' Soontir Fel

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#30 - 2013-07-06 15:55:48 UTC | Edited by: Baron' Soontir Fel

I'd still recommend FW for new PvPers. Join a newb friendly corp, and just start flying cheap ships (<10mil). You get a decent income source, you'll have access to a large market hub, and hopefully a logistics branch from your corp/alliance that will help you move stuff safely through high-sec/into low-sec.

Ask for help, listen to advice, and learn from your mistakes. Should be able to start winning 1v1's 1-2 months after entering PvP/EVE. I flew 5-6 million ISK Kestrels and Condors.

If solo isn't your kind of PvP, you can stick in small groups/roams with your corp or alliance and you can even hit 50+ fleet battles with general militia.

After a few months of learning the basics, you can then decide to jump to other parts of PvP like pirating or null-sec.

inglorious bastards. 325
Major Killz inglorious bastards. Likes received: 325	#31 - 2013-07-07 15:01:56 UTC I like to SHAKE pvp when it fails or its broken. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. [u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]


VegasMirage Blank-Space Northern Coalition. Likes received: 1,608	#32 - 2013-07-07 20:58:22 UTC Major Killz wrote: I like to SHAKE pvp when it fails or its broken. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. you like shakin your pee pee vee no more games... it's real this time!!!

TURN LEFT 143
rhiload Feron-drake TURN LEFT Likes received: 143	#33 - 2013-08-19 03:32:25 UTC rule one of Turn left. make sure you have a genolution clone. rule two of turn left. Dalikah hates everyone.