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Maybe I made a 30 million isk mistake? Maybe you can help?
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-06-24 03:59:45 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Wow. Not only did I get great advice on fittings, but I also got to see philosophical points of view on why one set of fittings may be more useful than another set. It made me wonder if anyone had codified a doctrine for mining and mining entities?

A doctrine is a codified set of principles, rules, and guidelines that inform how an entity operates under varying conditions and tactical situations. It lays out the entities' policies for money spent on R&D, training policies, equipment procurement, load-outs for varying situations, etc.

Has anyone seen any links to such a codified doctrine written up by EVE Online players?

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Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#22 - 2013-06-24 12:19:39 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Wow. Not only did I get great advice on fittings, but I also got to see philosophical points of view on why one set of fittings may be more useful than another set. It made me wonder if anyone had codified a doctrine for mining and mining entities?

A doctrine is a codified set of principles, rules, and guidelines that inform how an entity operates under varying conditions and tactical situations. It lays out the entities' policies for money spent on R&D, training policies, equipment procurement, load-outs for varying situations, etc.

Has anyone seen any links to such a codified doctrine written up by EVE Online players?


I suppose you could find those mining doctrines within the members areas of quite a few corps, namely industry corps.

There are also maxtank/maxyield setups for all the barges out there somewhere.

IMO it's really not worth looking for those, though, since the principles behind fitting are pretty simple and with EFT it's a matter of minutes to play out some 'what if' scenarios.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-24 13:44:51 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
http://www.isktheguide.com/


I downloaded the manual and skimmed through the mining section. It was filled with details, and covered a wide array of info. I think that this pdf book file fits the bill of what I was looking for. Thanks for pointing me to it.


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Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#24 - 2013-06-24 22:38:42 UTC
Carek Talen wrote:
If you are mining in hisec you 'll find two dangers, rats and gankers, 4 hobgoblin can deal with any rats, you don't need tank. As for gankers... a retriever is not a juicy target and the ganker will be destroyed too. You don't hunt barges for profit and the fun it provides is very limited and balanced with the pain of security status grind.

To sum up use 3-4 hobgoblin and fit for max yield.


I've never suicide ganked for profit. I've never even looted the stuff. Your argument is invalid.

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Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#25 - 2013-06-25 01:13:28 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Wow. Not only did I get great advice on fittings, but I also got to see philosophical points of view on why one set of fittings may be more useful than another set. It made me wonder if anyone had codified a doctrine for mining and mining entities?

A doctrine is a codified set of principles, rules, and guidelines that inform how an entity operates under varying conditions and tactical situations. It lays out the entities' policies for money spent on R&D, training policies, equipment procurement, load-outs for varying situations, etc.

Has anyone seen any links to such a codified doctrine written up by EVE Online players?


I haven't seen anything. However, as you can tell, there are huge differences among players as to what the "best" approach to take is. There is no right or wrong, just what you feel will work the best for you. (OK, I lied. My way is RIGHT)


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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-07-04 10:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Thanks for all of your helpful replies. I figured you'd want to know what I ended up doing. Here's the end result.

Medium Rigs:
Processor Overclocking Unit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Core Defense Field Extender I

High Slots:
2x Strip Miner I

Medium Slot:
Medium Shield Booster II

Low Slots:
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
2x Mining Laser Upgrade I

Drone Bay:
2x Hobgoblin I
2x Warrior I
1 Scavenger

I started off with 1@ Hobgoblin I and Warrior I, and 2 Mining Drone I,
but the mining of those drones was negligible, and I figured I'd make more isk scavenging the wrecks of Serpentis pirates, so I changed my drone line up.

The final cost? I haven't figured that out, yet. Let's see... Add 29,000,000.00 isk to whatever the current market prices (mostly at Dodixie) are for the items above (plus the cost of a lost ship when I was killed trying to go to low sec to buy a part, cheap, for the barge, 17mil isk Navy Comet w/fittings). Approximately 38 mil isk (not including the lost Navy Comet).

What do you all think?

(P.S. Now I go shopping in my rookie ship and leave my expensive planes in the garage.)

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-07-04 10:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
To be honest, not great.

The fact that you need 2 fitting mods suggests something's not optimal (possibly low skills). A Shield booster won't help against gankers (and you don't need that kind of defense against rats). You want buffer, not active tank. Shield extender or perhaps invuln field.

You shouldn;t need a cap recharging rig on a mining barge (probably there because of the shield booster). If you're running low on cap with the mining lasers, stagger their activation.

Edit: To be honest, I'm not sure why you have the fitting mods (processor overclock and PDU) as even with Electronics and Engineering at 3 and Mining Upgrades at 2 they're not needed to fit the rest.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-07-04 10:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Try something like this.

[Retriever, Test]
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Damage Control I

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

16k buffer tank (with my skills since I don't know yours) vs the 10k that your fitting has.

Though personally I'd swap one of the extender rigs for a Mining drone augmenter and carry 3 mining drones.
Donnero
Arliuhtan
#29 - 2013-07-04 11:17:10 UTC
You should get a Asteroid Scanner in your mid, to see how much ore left is in the roid.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-07-04 23:21:49 UTC
Yeah... No. Survey scanners are great and all for not "wasting" cycles, but that only seriously matters when you're using modulated lasers, especially with T2 crystals, which the person involved isn't.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-07-05 02:02:44 UTC
Shereza wrote:
Yeah... No. Survey scanners are great and all for not "wasting" cycles, but that only seriously matters when you're using modulated lasers, especially with T2 crystals, which the person involved isn't.


Rubbish...every miner needs a survey scanner..

Never fit for tank, you'll still die when a gank squad comes along.

If you're serious about mining go for yield every time, just T1 in the lows and rigs for now would be great for you.

For drones go for a 2/3 split, scouts...mining atm until you get scout 2, don't forget that in 1.0/0.9 systems you need to go all mining drones as there are no npc rats...When your drone skills are higher a single T2 Hobgoblin in 0.8/0.6 will be good enough for npc rats.

There are some seriously useless fits being shown in here for a miner...go trawl through the Science and Industry rooms and read the advice in them, also Ships Modules might have some.

Overall the fitting advice in here is possibly the worst I have ever seen, utter garbage mostly.

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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-07-05 03:21:38 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Shereza wrote:
Yeah... No. Survey scanners are great and all for not "wasting" cycles, but that only seriously matters when you're using modulated lasers, especially with T2 crystals, which the person involved isn't.


Rubbish...every miner needs a survey scanner..

Never fit for tank, you'll still die when a gank squad comes along.

If you're serious about mining go for yield every time, just T1 in the lows and rigs for now would be great for you.

For drones go for a 2/3 split, scouts...mining atm until you get scout 2, don't forget that in 1.0/0.9 systems you need to go all mining drones as there are no npc rats...When your drone skills are higher a single T2 Hobgoblin in 0.8/0.6 will be good enough for npc rats.

There are some seriously useless fits being shown in here for a miner...go trawl through the Science and Industry rooms and read the advice in them, also Ships Modules might have some.

Overall the fitting advice in here is possibly the worst I have ever seen, utter garbage mostly.


You'd like for me to believe that. Eh? LOL

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