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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-07-04 22:36:56 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You have a choice, Time Dilation, or node crash. CCP believes the former is the better solution.

Actually, we don't have a choice.

And CCP leans on tidi instead of improving their infrastructure. There is no other game I know of that regularly subjects their users to 1/10th game speed during the best parts of the game (big fleet battles).

Frankly, if I was CCP I would be ashamed of tidi and/or coding practices that lead to a game that can't scale.

There is no other MMO I know who responds to the problem of "too many people wanting to be in the same place" with "lets figure out how to let more people in".

All the other MMOs just slap population caps on everything to keep the population too low to cause problems.

Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Tell that to the NSA.

The NSA can split their activities over many pieces of hardware much easier than CCP can.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#22 - 2013-07-04 22:37:20 UTC
Let me explain why tidi is bad.

So you're in a system. Local escalates. Smartbombs and Bombs start going off (AOE calculations). Tidi kicks in.

If anything of value is on the field, as right now the entire Test cap fleet, everyone in surrounding systems ships up and piles in.

As more ships pile in, tidi gets worse. And the worse it gets, the more people reship and the more people pile in, keeping tidi at basically a completely unplayable level.

Tidi is a solution for crashing, it's not a solution for gameplay.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Sirane Elrek
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-07-04 22:37:54 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
I rather have a node death. At least then I know it's time to play something else.

Well you just got your wish granted.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#24 - 2013-07-04 22:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro Ozuwara
Hesod Adee wrote:
There is no other MMO I know who responds to the problem of "too many people wanting to be in the same place" with "lets figure out how to let more people in".

Lowest common denominator argument again.

Hesod Adee wrote:
The NSA can split their activities over many pieces of hardware much easier than CCP can.

Well, I obviously don't have your technical expertise and insight into the NSAs hardware systems.

Tell us more.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-07-04 22:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Kilth
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
There is no other MMO I know who responds to the problem of "too many people wanting to be in the same place" with "lets figure out how to let more people in".

Lowest common denominator argument again.

Hesod Adee wrote:
The NSA can split their activities over many pieces of hardware much easier than CCP can.

Well, I obviously don't have your technical expertise and insight into CCP and the NSAs hardware systems.

Tell us more.


Well, for one the NSA got lots more funds from the goverment and probably access to military grade hardware.

Not that it matters anymore, seems TEST is not going to bother logging on when the server gets back up so they won't lose their caps.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-07-04 22:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Abrazzar wrote:
I rather have a node death. At least then I know it's time to play something else.




Welp we managed that too



:edit


TEST just got about 100 bil in carriers saved by that crash lucky *******
Jaan Thiesant
Star Cluster Wanderer
#27 - 2013-07-04 22:43:28 UTC
"Your character is located within Z9PP-H, which is currently loading. Please try again in a moment."

ffs
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-07-04 23:00:08 UTC
So CCP remapped the node with a 2000 man fight going.


Keep it classy CCP WTF
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-07-04 23:00:46 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
There is no other MMO I know who responds to the problem of "too many people wanting to be in the same place" with "lets figure out how to let more people in".

Lowest common denominator argument again.


CCP has three choices regarding too many people wanting to be in system:
- Population caps.
- Time dilation.
- Node death.

If there is another option, please tell us what it is.

If you want population caps, go play another MMO. Any other MMO.

Quote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
The NSA can split their activities over many pieces of hardware much easier than CCP can.

Well, I obviously don't have your technical expertise and insight into the NSAs hardware systems.

Tell us more.


It all comes down to Parallel computing. Eve Online server processes are too dependent on each other for it to be possible to split a system across multiple hardware nodes. So one CCP have a node sitting on the best hardware possible, adding extra hardware does nothing.

At the other extreme you have decrypting through brute force. Get yourself a bunch of computers, assign each computer a block of passwords to try. Then the computers don't need to communicate with each other at all until one computer hits the correct password. So if your current hardware is insufficient, you can throw more hardware at it till it competes. Even if each computer you add is a piece of crap, you can keep adding them till they outperform a single top of the line machine.

Then you have to consider budget constraints.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#30 - 2013-07-04 23:31:11 UTC
Hesod, I didn't read your post. I am trying to figure out how to extract my pod out of Z9PP

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
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