EVE General Discussion

This is the root of the vast majority of problems attributed to the EVE launcher.

I knew there was something wrong when I couldn't reach the login page for the forums. I couldn't reach the login page for any of the web services either, because they use the same service. I couldn't use the launcher to login to the client either, because it uses the same service.

The SSO represents a Single Point of Failure. When it breaks, the whole system comes crashing down around it. People aren't able to log onto the forums. People aren't able to log into EVE (for now they can if they bypass the launcher but that won't always be an option). People aren't able to log in to submit petitions. Essentially everything EVE official becomes unavailable to them because of a single failure in the system.

SSO is a significant design flaw that should have never been included in the first place without adding some serious redundancy to go along with it. The path CCP is on right now however isn't working to correct this issue, instead all it's going to do is further expose this vulnerability. Once the launcher becomes mandatory nobody will be able to log into EVE in the event that SSO goes down. They also won't be able to log into the forums to tell you about it.

What the heck you guys talking about?

Not having a single issue with my clients launchers at all, none, nada, nicht, nothing. You must be doing or using something nasty to get such troubles.

This just in from the breaking news desk:

Nothing affects this guy, so it must be a problem on your end.

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Since CCP has done some W8 fixes things work absolutely normal. Are you running Windows 3.1 and DX25?

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Failure always wants to tear down success. Apparently, people are having lots of problems with the launcher....apparently that guy isn't....and so there is envy and envy leads to the darkside.

Its also means there is a tremendous intensive to fix any issue that causes a failure. With many different log-ins if one fails the devs can say "lets delay fixing it as most everything else is working" But with SSO as soon as it fails its all effort is needed, RIGHT NOW.

Another advantage is with only one thing needed to sign on, there is only one thing to maintain.

Im reminded of a story about the first person to explore Antarctica with an airplane. He chose a Ford Trimotor. As it had 3 motors he figured he had redundancy. When he actually was over Antarctica he had to climb over the mountains. That required so much power that all 3 motors were almost full throttle. If any one had failed he would have gone down. And in the 1930's there was no hope of rescue there. As there were 3 motors there was a 3 times higher chance that at least one would fail. Because he went for a system that seemed to have higher redundancy he was in greater danger of dying.

When the battle.net sign-on server is down, you still have access to nothing. It happened before. A few time in fact when the transfered to a single login system.

So if I understand correctly if you DDoS the SSO server you effectively cripple the whole of EvE?....

Indeed. SSOs always look simple on paper (especially from the Accountants view), but they very easily turn into Single Points of Failure, something every competent technician tries to avoid getting cornered into deploying.

Fun story: our servers often travel into active war zones and someone was trying to be clever and save money buy taking our multiple physical backup servers and putting them all on one box as virtual machines. OK, fine so far.

"What happens" we asked, : "if that single piece of hardware fails?".

"That's highly unlikely" they said.

Hmmm. We thought about it and set up a field demo for them - we put their server in a tent and then dropped a mortar on it.

"Could you please restore from backup?" we asked

"oh...." they said.