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An Indy Corp's War
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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-30 09:16:45 UTC
Cartaris wrote:
An update on how the war is going:

They extended the war another week, and informed me that they would never end the wardec. I actually spoke with one of their members on Skype, and he said that because he was angry with our CEO (presumably for fighting back) they were going to have their friends war dec us as well. Their supposed friends are a large, well known mercenary group (I now believe his claims were false, as I've not seen any action from the group he mentioned)

Because of this, we decided to invite a few friends of our own into the war, and make the move into lowsec. One day later, 3 of their members have left corp, including their CEO.

They still have an 11 mil lead on us... but I'm beginning to wonder if we'll ever get the chance to close that gap at all now.


11,5 M transfered to your wallet- congratulations, Cartaris, you have now won the war.

An indy corp that is actually fighting for their corp instead of hiding or quitting is a rare sight and I think you guys will have a bright future ahead if you keep it up like that.
Please send my congratulations and best wishes to all your members.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-06-30 10:21:46 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock,

Or a friendly carrier of theirs is tackled.

then again the hs war we had, the guys we were fighting couldnt even speak english. Shocked

Hi sec wars are best done solo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Yusef Brion
Big Yellow Pidgeon Inc.
#23 - 2013-06-30 11:46:01 UTC
Cartaris wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock,


Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too).

Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it.

Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring.


http://youtu.be/514IEcgz1Q8?t=1m35s

"And of course Spartans... have their reputation to consider"

It's all just pixels. Why would you hide from pixels?

The more I read the forums over the years, the more I swear. To god. That the typos are intentional mistakes. Part o f the encryption.
Erick Odin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-06-30 14:21:12 UTC
I wonder how many will send him 11 million. Scam?
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#25 - 2013-06-30 14:24:19 UTC
tl;dr

1v1s in Hek anyone?
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#26 - 2013-06-30 14:42:31 UTC
Cartaris wrote:

Its been a week since then, and we are currently losing the war by 100 million isk. Corp members are beginning to get discouraged, and we're in danger of losing our members, and their hope. Tomorrow is the last day of tolerance for several of them... if something doesn't happen, the corp may very well fold.

I am currently sitting in the HQ station of my old highsec PvP corp, dusting off the old Cynabal that has served me so well in the past. Tomorrow, I will feel the rush of something I haven't felt in awhile. Tomorrow, I will do what I need to, to keep this corp together.

Tomorrow, there will be a killmail... and either I, or their names will be on it.



They are either a good group of tough pilots that will not bow down, tough this out, and become a good corp. Or they don't deserve to be in a corporation and need to leave and go to NPC corps.

The fact is either you've got it in you to fight and never give up, or you don't. Personally if I were you I would let the members go that whine and want to give up and hang onto the ones that want to tough it out and learn how to pvp. You just need to decide what type of corp and people you want to be with. Stay friends with the others that leave if you like 'em. But hang on to the ones that dig their heels in. They are the ones that are really worth it for a strong corp.

It may sound harsh. But I've been there and I know what I'm talking about here because I've been through it. Our corp was dec'd by 5 corporations within our first 2 months of the game.... and went through 10 wars our first 6 months. We NEVER paid ransom and we never gave up. Some left. Good bye and good riddance to those who left. Nice people but no the type of peeps we wanted in our corporation. We were smoked our first decs... then we started learning.

We ended up getting an experienced pilot in our corp that started teaching us how to fit and how to fight.. that is when things really turned around for us.



I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-06-30 17:56:11 UTC
I've found this. Small industrial corps are surprisingly good at PVP once roused.

Dodixie > Hek
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#28 - 2013-06-30 18:20:32 UTC
Good for you guys. Also, at least your war deccers are actually fighting. Very often they hide until your player counts are low and then kill your miners and won't fight any proper fleets.

I would have jumped into your war to help out, but I recently left my own corp to join a group of friends, and I doubt they would be up for a war at this point in time.

Congratulate your members when it's over. They deserve it. And frankly if you can get a record of not being curb stomped by war deccers they very often taper off. Most war dec corps don't want to fight people who are actually going to do some damage back. If you still have records of your enemies claims in the logs or in mails, copy paste them into mails to your corp and ridicule them for their stupid lies and back-peddling. Sometimes making your members feel like they have won is half the battle.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-30 23:12:10 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Cartaris wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock,


Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too).

Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it.

Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring.


It is sad, but this is the state of affairs that CCP clearly wants.
They feel that having griefer groups dec indy groups for the sole purpose of ruining the the indy corp's gameplay is an acceptable, even laudable practice.

It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.


why should ccp ruin the deccers gameplay because you refuse to fight back?
Cartaris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-07-01 02:29:55 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.

I was originally worried that we would fall apart. It was looking very gloom for awhile.

But to answer your query: Not a single one
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#31 - 2013-07-01 02:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Cartaris wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.

I was originally worried that we would fall apart. It was looking very gloom for awhile.

But to answer your query: Not a single one

Don't mistake that post for an expression of legitimate curiosity. He was clearly just fishing for anecdotal evidence to support a position that he holds. I don't think you have to be worried about challenging his views though, it seem unlikely that someone giving evidence totally contrary to his preconceived ideas will have any effect on them.
Cartaris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-07-03 19:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cartaris
This may be my last post on this issue, but I thought I might give some closure if anyone was still interested.

After camping a few of their members in station and forcing them to dock a few more times, it seems as if the remaining members of their corp have decided to call it quits. Over half of their members have left for other corps, and the few that remain hadn't logged in since the war started.

We're still 11 mil short on the war report, but I do believe we've won where it matters. I'm quite proud of them, and I think I'm going to stay here for awhile...

Who knows, maybe one day I'll be off attacking large alliances with them :P
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#33 - 2013-07-03 19:23:32 UTC
Wait...somethings not right here....

Since when do NPC corps get wardecced.....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-07-03 19:53:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Cartaris wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock,


Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too).

Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it.

Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring.


It is sad, but this is the state of affairs that CCP clearly wants.
They feel that having griefer groups dec indy groups for the sole purpose of ruining the the indy corp's gameplay is an acceptable, even laudable practice.

It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.



First spell check and complete sentences please. Second you are sad to even post that. Mandatory WOW is that way ---->

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2013-07-03 19:58:10 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

It is sad, but this is the state of affairs that CCP clearly wants.
They feel that having griefer groups dec indy groups for the sole purpose of ruining the the indy corp's gameplay is an acceptable, even laudable practice.

It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.


No, its the state of affairs YOU perpetuate



If YOU don't have ANY combat pilots or ANY strategy for avoiding this its EXACTLY what will happen


CCP isn't your mommy



Learn to fight or to run or to survive




But


For fox sake




STOP WHINING LOUIS

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
brinelan
#36 - 2013-07-03 21:11:12 UTC
Good for you for fighting back, most of these corps wardec corps who they think will give them free kills. Since they didn't get that they scattered. Also, the isk war isn't a huge deal especially when its that close. you won by making them quit (or in this case close their corp down).

Your corp probably learned a lot and next time you will know what to expect and what to do to be successful.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#37 - 2013-07-03 21:12:47 UTC
brinelan wrote:
Good for you for fighting back, most of these corps wardec corps who they think will give them free kills. Since they didn't get that they scattered. Also, the isk war isn't a huge deal especially when its that close. you won by making them quit (or in this case close their corp down).

Your corp probably learned a lot and next time you will know what to expect and what to do to be successful.



This guy knows


Kudos

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#38 - 2013-07-04 02:12:42 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Cartaris wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock,


Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too).

Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it.

Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring.


It is sad, but this is the state of affairs that CCP clearly wants.
They feel that having griefer groups dec indy groups for the sole purpose of ruining the the indy corp's gameplay is an acceptable, even laudable practice.

It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.



Here is another post I lol'd at.

Just because you dec an 'indy corp' DOES NOT make you a griefer corp. You need to research what a true griefer corporation is before you pronounce judgement on other corps.

Seriously... get with it, CCP wanted a PVP game and that is legit PVP. It has nothing to do with griefing, it has to do with PVP.



I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Jonny Monroe
Unlicensed Medical Professionals
#39 - 2013-07-04 02:27:14 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Cartaris wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock,


Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too).

Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it.

Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring.


It is sad, but this is the state of affairs that CCP clearly wants.
They feel that having griefer groups dec indy groups for the sole purpose of ruining the the indy corp's gameplay is an acceptable, even laudable practice.

It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.


why should ccp ruin the deccers gameplay because you refuse to fight back?


I don't support his argument, but you don't seem to have read his post at all?

He's clearly saying CCP should care because it costs them subs. It's literally 50% of his post.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#40 - 2013-07-04 02:43:51 UTC
@ Jonny Monroe

Based on his post then CCP should stop all "indy corp' deccing along with all other activity that causes peeps to unsub.. such as bumping, ganking, podding, ransoming, corporation theft, etc etc ...

People ragequit all the time, does that mean CCP should stop all the practices which were the impetus for someone to unsub? ( I used a big word there.. you should all be impressed :P)

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
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