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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-07-03 21:05:39 UTC
I'm bored and I want to suicide gank someone...

If I understand correctly, CONCORD response times are slower as sec level drops?

If this is the case, then 0.5 systems are prime for suicide ganking?

Also, If I'm successful and finish the kill before CONCORD arrives.

If I leave my ship will CONCORD:

a) pod me or,

b) blow up my empty ship or,

c) both?

Really just curious if it's possible to survive pulling off a gank in Hisec, and if so what the technique might be.

Thanks :D

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Bruce Bayne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-03 21:18:33 UTC
Hello,

yes concord will start killing you after approx 20 seconds after you do your illigal thingy in 0.5 systems.
They will only kill your ship...very effectively^^

They will leave your pod alone, but keep in mind that any player in eve can kill your pod now anytime for 15 minutes.
Also if you undock in a ship while having the criminal flag concrod will kill you again...so wait out the timer or warp around in your pod.

A good guide you can see here http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html or on the eveuni pages, regarding timers.

Also the new order guys are atm the way to go for highsec ganks. There are other groups like miniluv? or something from goons, but you need to be alliance member.

In the new order you get your ship replaced and you dont even need to join any corp or anything. Just kill stuff and have fun :)
Its like a ganking community if you like to call it that way.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-03 21:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Builder
CONCORD will never pod you (but players might).
You cannot leave your ship while you have a criminal flag.
Tixam Quri wrote:
Really just curious if it's possible to survive pulling off a gank in Hisec
If you manage to find a way to save your ship from CONCORD, your account will be banned, so you'll lose much more than just your ship.
Bruce Bayne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-07-03 21:21:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Bruce Bayne
Thomas Builder wrote:
CONCORD will never pod you (but players might).
You cannot leave your ship while you have a criminal flag.
Tixam Quri wrote:
Really just curious if it's possible to survive pulling off a gank in Hisec
If you manage to find a way to save your ship from CONCORD, your account will be banned, so you'll lose much more than just your ship.


This.

Also keep in mind that you cannot leave your ship while having a criminal timer. You will be "scrambled" system wide, so you cant even warp away...all you can do is wait to get killed by concord and then warp the pod away.

So you want to suicide only ships you can afford to replace. So throwawayships are the way to go if you want to do it for a longer period of time.
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-07-03 21:22:22 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
CONCORD will never pod you (but players might).
You cannot leave your ship while you have a criminal flag.
Tixam Quri wrote:
Really just curious if it's possible to survive pulling off a gank in Hisec
If you manage to find a way to save your ship from CONCORD, your account will be banned, so you'll lose much more than just your ship.


So mandatory loss of ship. Got it.

Thanks :D

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-07-03 21:23:25 UTC
Bruce Bayne wrote:
Thomas Builder wrote:
CONCORD will never pod you (but players might).
You cannot leave your ship while you have a criminal flag.
Tixam Quri wrote:
Really just curious if it's possible to survive pulling off a gank in Hisec
If you manage to find a way to save your ship from CONCORD, your account will be banned, so you'll lose much more than just your ship.


This.

Also keep in mind that you cannot leave your ship while having a criminal timer. You will be "scrambled" system wide, so you cant even warp away...all you can do is wait to get killed by concord and then warp the pod away.



Hence the term "suicide gank",

Thanks :D

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-07-03 21:39:05 UTC
If you join the New Order, we will reimburse your lost ships.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-07-03 21:46:25 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
If you join the New Order, we will reimburse your lost ships.


I appreciate the info. It's good to know there are corps for this type of activity.

If (when) I start doing this it will be on my PLEXED alt I'm skilling up for PVP.

I will be missioning/exploring on this capsuleer with my wife and don't want to destroy my sec status.

Thanks!

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Bruce Bayne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-03 21:56:04 UTC
Tixam Quri wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
If you join the New Order, we will reimburse your lost ships.


I appreciate the info. It's good to know there are corps for this type of activity.

If (when) I start doing this it will be on my PLEXED alt I'm skilling up for PVP.

I will be missioning/exploring on this capsuleer with my wife and don't want to destroy my sec status.

Thanks!


You dont need to have a dedicated alt on another account for that.
You can use one of the character slots.
After only 8 hours you can sit in a catalyst and use the guns and you do like 200 dps.

I myself made a char. trained it 5 days. now i pull off over 430 dps overheated in meta 4 fitted catalysts.
And as it is a under 900k sp char you dont even need to upgrade your clones, nor do you care about te security status as it is designed to have a low one :)

Just saying. So pause training on your main for 5 days and you have a shiny new gank character.

*Captain obvious warps away*
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-07-03 22:20:29 UTC
Bruce Bayne wrote:
You dont need to have a dedicated alt on another account for that.
You can use one of the character slots.
After only 8 hours you can sit in a catalyst and use the guns and you do like 200 dps.

I myself made a char. trained it 5 days. now i pull off over 430 dps overheated in meta 4 fitted catalysts.
And as it is a under 900k sp char you dont even need to upgrade your clones, nor do you care about te security status as it is designed to have a low one :)

Just saying. So pause training on your main for 5 days and you have a shiny new gank character.

*Captain obvious warps away*


It is an alt. I meant that I had PLEXED an alt, good to know hes got over a 1mil SP atm. Twisted
I'll be trying it asap, just don't get a lot of time to log on...

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-07-03 22:23:43 UTC
Tixam Quri wrote:
[quote=Amyclas Amatin]don't want to destroy my sec status.

If your sec status gets too low, you can buy pirate tags off the market then turn them in at specific stations to get your sec status back up. I'm not sure of the details though.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-07-03 23:17:00 UTC
what bruce said. You can consider using a 10 hour hero, or getting a dedicated alt account. 10 hour heroes work fine, every extra bit of dps counts.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-07-04 00:38:36 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
[quote=Amyclas Amatin]don't want to destroy my sec status.

If your sec status gets too low, you can buy pirate tags off the market then turn them in at specific stations to get your sec status back up. I'm not sure of the details though.


I've seen this before and I am wondering. How do you "turn in" the tags?

Bring your possibles.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2013-07-04 02:01:18 UTC
Something that people above seemed to have missed...

DO NOT try to evade CONCORD's response/retribution if you have incited it. Doing so is considered an exploit and will be swiftly met with the banhammer.

Other than that... suicide gank away!

How did you Veterans start?
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#15 - 2013-07-04 05:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: BoSau Hotim
Ganking is a blast.

Here are a few tips:

1. If you fit and skill right you can have time to even pod your victim in .05 space. You lose sec status for each: ship and a little bit higher sec status hit for a pod. The person you pod has a 30 day kill right on you. It means they can activate the KR at any time or even sell it to anyone, any corp, or all EvE players.

2. I would skill thermodynamics if I were you. Then you can set everything to overheat, that way you do maximum damage quicker and may get that pod. Set the overheat before you even warp to your target.

3. Cloaky alts are super to have in these cases, or even cloaky friends. They can covertly fly right over your target and then you can warp to him at zero if you are fleeted.

4. Practice what you are going to do in your head. My first gank was frikkin' hilarious and a total fail, the second one was good, and the third one my m8 accidentally targeted me and blew up my ship. Fun Times my friend!

5. If your target has drones out and they are set to aggressive then your target will have you on their kb because their dreones will attack you unless they are busy killing rats.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2013-07-04 06:36:55 UTC
Tixam Quri wrote:
I'm bored and I want to suicide gank someone...

If I understand correctly, CONCORD response times are slower as sec level drops?

If this is the case, then 0.5 systems are prime for suicide ganking?

Also, If I'm successful and finish the kill before CONCORD arrives.

If I leave my ship will CONCORD:

a) pod me or,

b) blow up my empty ship or,

c) both?

Really just curious if it's possible to survive pulling off a gank in Hisec, and if so what the technique might be.

Thanks :D


I suggest the new order very much :D or you can come fly with me for a bit and get your first few kills :).
Send me a mail in game I'll even supply your first few ships Twisted

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-07-04 09:25:27 UTC
Love all the responses and helpful info. Awesome community Blink

I was wondering if I would just get flamed for posting such a topic. I can't wait to get started!

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-07-04 09:28:05 UTC
Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
[quote=Amyclas Amatin]don't want to destroy my sec status.

If your sec status gets too low, you can buy pirate tags off the market then turn them in at specific stations to get your sec status back up. I'm not sure of the details though.


I've seen this before and I am wondering. How do you "turn in" the tags?


I have actually wondered that myself.

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-07-04 09:53:41 UTC
Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
[quote=Amyclas Amatin]don't want to destroy my sec status.

If your sec status gets too low, you can buy pirate tags off the market then turn them in at specific stations to get your sec status back up. I'm not sure of the details though.


I've seen this before and I am wondering. How do you "turn in" the tags?


Take the tags to one of the Concord stations scattered through lowsec. At the station you can select the Security Office station service to trade the tags and some ISK for a sec status increase.

Full details - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/
Velarra
#20 - 2013-07-04 16:57:52 UTC
Down this route of thought: While Concord will kill a "criminal" and evasion of that kill is banable, - IF you manage to take out a single Concord ship while they're firing on you, do highsec Concord ships drop Concord tags? (A la Blockade in npc null)
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