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A hypothetical question

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-08 21:30:20 UTC
Well, we are only a few years away from developing AI's based on synthetic platforms. When they are released what do you guys think about them playing games like EVE?

Would they be allowed? Or would it be considered "boting" An AI would have a massive advantage over a human while playing a game. Because they would be based in computers, they can make mathmatical and immoral calculations nearly a million times faster than people. They could fly a whole fleet at once in perfect unison, easily crushing any human fleet.

What do you guys think about this? Personaly, I think they should be allowed, to an extent.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-11-08 21:31:18 UTC
The future is here today. Goons have an advanced A.I. that we have named DBRB and we use it to lead all of our fleets to victory.

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Ann133566
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-11-08 21:46:07 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Well, we are only a few years away from developing AI's based on synthetic platforms. When they are released what do you guys think about them playing games like EVE?

Would they be allowed? Or would it be considered "boting" An AI would have a massive advantage over a human while playing a game. Because they would be based in computers, they can make mathmatical and immoral calculations nearly a million times faster than people. They could fly a whole fleet at once in perfect unison, easily crushing any human fleet.

What do you guys think about this? Personaly, I think they should be allowed, to an extent.


Sorry, but we are still decades away from creating a reliable form of AI. In truth software development has changed little over the last 30 years, in some ways we have gone backwards in terms of efficiency. I don't believe make any significant progress until high quality and cheap superconductors are manufactured.
Solhild
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-08 21:49:40 UTC
When we eventually have an AI that powerful, it'll be used to 'enhance' our lives in ways we can't guess at yet!

I wonder what it will be like at art - maybe it could touch up all these sky boxes so we can have one per system P
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#5 - 2011-11-08 22:06:29 UTC
cute as big blue and watson are, there is no need to worry about actual AI anytime soon
its all parlor tricks still
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-11-08 22:09:16 UTC
Silicon just doesn't have the capacity for true AI. Once we cross over into biological computing then we're talking.
Nautsyn Thome
Shark Investments
#7 - 2011-11-08 22:14:12 UTC
Unless we are unable to write code which can learn by itself, and write new code to enhance itself, i dont think it is a hardware problem at all.
Ann133566
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-11-08 22:23:12 UTC
Nautsyn Thome wrote:
Unless we are unable to write code which can learn by itself, and write new code to enhance itself, i dont think it is a hardware problem at all.


We do not fully understand how humans learn, never mind programming a computer to learn. Take language for example, although there are various competing theories on how we learn to communicate with each other on the whole it is still mystery to us. I think you overestimate the current extent of human knowledge.
Nautsyn Thome
Shark Investments
#9 - 2011-11-08 22:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nautsyn Thome
Ann133566 wrote:
Nautsyn Thome wrote:
Unless we are unable to write code which can learn by itself, and write new code to enhance itself, i dont think it is a hardware problem at all.


We do not fully understand how humans learn, never mind programming a computer to learn. Take language for example, although there are various competing theories on how we learn to communicate with each other on the whole it is still mystery to us. I think you overestimate the current extent of human knowledge.


Wasnt that what i said? Sorry perhaps my english is too bad.

Maybe it shoud start with : As long as we are unable to write code... which can code itself to enhance itself...

Dont know... my point is, we are too dumb to do it, but the hardware we have would not be the main problem.

If we could write an AI which is so intelligent, that we just could let go and watch it learn by itself, the hardware would only limit its thinking speed.
Ann133566
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-11-08 22:32:31 UTC
Nautsyn Thome wrote:
Ann133566 wrote:
Nautsyn Thome wrote:
Unless we are unable to write code which can learn by itself, and write new code to enhance itself, i dont think it is a hardware problem at all.


We do not fully understand how humans learn, never mind programming a computer to learn. Take language for example, although there are various competing theories on how we learn to communicate with each other on the whole it is still mystery to us. I think you overestimate the current extent of human knowledge.


Wasnt that what i said? Sorry perhaps my english is too bad.



Irony?

I'm basically saying it's a knowledge and tool problem. I couldn't begin to imagine the processing power needed to create something that resemble an inteligent or even semi inteligent AI. And I'm unsure if it's a good idea in the first place, but thats another thing entirely. As it stands, it's in the realm of science fiction.
Nautsyn Thome
Shark Investments
#11 - 2011-11-08 22:40:35 UTC
Ann133566 wrote:
Nautsyn Thome wrote:
Ann133566 wrote:
Nautsyn Thome wrote:
Unless we are unable to write code which can learn by itself, and write new code to enhance itself, i dont think it is a hardware problem at all.


We do not fully understand how humans learn, never mind programming a computer to learn. Take language for example, although there are various competing theories on how we learn to communicate with each other on the whole it is still mystery to us. I think you overestimate the current extent of human knowledge.


Wasnt that what i said? Sorry perhaps my english is too bad.



Irony?

I'm basically saying it's a knowledge and tool problem. I couldn't begin to imagine the processing power needed to create something that resemble an inteligent or even semi inteligent AI. And I'm unsure if it's a good idea in the first place, but thats another thing entirely. As it stands, it's in the realm of science fiction.


No irony.

And we agree on all points, except that i think a super intelligent ai dont needs fast hardware. It just would be a super slow super ai. ;)
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-08 22:51:34 UTC
Skynet watches and waits for this day...
"If."
Ann133566
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-08 22:53:40 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
Skynet watches and waits for this day...


So long as it's using windows we have no need to worry.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-08 22:56:50 UTC
Ann133566 wrote:
Nephilius wrote:
Skynet watches and waits for this day...


So long as it's using windows we have no need to worry.


But instead it is using Mac...so sit back, watch the fun and get a good laugh.

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Stahlregen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-08 22:58:28 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyu7yevZRGw

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#16 - 2011-11-08 23:01:40 UTC
Quote:
If we could write an AI which is so intelligent, that we just could let go and watch it learn by itself,...


Yeah, welcome to the Google cluster... Smile

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-11-08 23:02:07 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:
Silicon just doesn't have the capacity for true AI. Once we cross over into biological computing then we're talking.


Would be a waste of time when everything you have to do for biological computing is to have good sex Lol

By the time is donne humanity will be around 200B so gess we'll have other issues than biological computing for intelligent apples, talking dogs or streap tease cats
Ann133566
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-11-08 23:14:19 UTC
Stahlregen wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyu7yevZRGw


Thanks to this my I.Q. dropped by 10 points. But not to worry I'm still smarter than my dog that's currently humping a chair.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2011-11-09 08:17:52 UTC
Moved from 'EVE General Discussion".

As to the question of future AIs playing EVE, I guess we'll have to make that call if and when they emerge. Smile

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#20 - 2011-11-09 08:23:14 UTC
This is what would happen during Down time...

We're SCREWED!!!!

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