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Why do I suck at PVP?

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#41 - 2013-07-03 15:30:00 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Idris Maelfa wrote:
One thing I don't understand is why one should turn off Auto Reload.

Surely the client can reload faster than I can, or am I missing something?



Its because it takes 60 seconds to reload, and in that time you will be dead.

You're better of being able to get off 1-2 cycles of your cap after its empty



This is more true for AAR's though, the default on those should be autoreload off..



Yes or at least have the ship remember your setting like it remembers your keep at range and orbits.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=253948&find=unread

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-07-03 18:57:23 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.



I'm thinking its more like 20%. But really I don't know, I generally never fight condors so that might be why my view is off.

OP I haven't looked at your fits so this is just general advice. But when I started out I tended to go with tankier ships. This made the fights last longer so I could see what was happening, and gave me more time to react during the fight. Its important to gain an understanding of why you win or lose. If you just keep dying without understanding why, you are not really gaining experience.

Also look at the losses of good pilots. Try to figure out the idea behind their fits. What ranges will try to hit and what will their dps be, how will they deal with brawlers and kiters etc.

Obviously if you have fraps, a large enough hard drive, and your willing to look at the fights you lost and what the enemy was likely fitting that would be even more helpful.

Also joining a good pvp corp can be a big help.


Whats fraps? Also when ur learning to pvp ur not going to win very often. ...or at all. Would it be a good idea to fit a ship scanner so u can see opponents fit gaining more knowledge from the fight? Yeah u gimp ur build a bit but u were going to lose anyways. Maybe this will change the learning curve enough u can take the scanner(aka training wheels off) sooner and start winning
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-07-03 19:10:28 UTC
You suck at PvP for the same reason most of us do. Experience and ISK. Because you're inexperienced you don't want to dump loads of ISK into your ships, as they'll just blown up from pilot errors. You're fighting people that have already gone through that learning curve and know that they aren't going to make a ton of errors, so they can afford to fly really expensive ships, implant sets, boosters, etc. That means you're at a double disadvantage.

This is my biggest problem with EvE PVP. They tell you to start with frigates because they're cheap, but the fights are over so fast that it's hard to tell why you won or lost.

Though, if you've got 110m SP you should be able to make enough cash to fly a bit more expensive setups. I'm not talking about getting a bunch of AFs destroyed for no reason, but a decent implant set and boosters should give you plenty of edge to learn on. Learning to get your pod out in low-sec isn't that difficult, so it's a reasonably safe investment.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#44 - 2013-07-03 20:39:27 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.



I'm thinking its more like 20%. But really I don't know, I generally never fight condors so that might be why my view is off.

OP I haven't looked at your fits so this is just general advice. But when I started out I tended to go with tankier ships. This made the fights last longer so I could see what was happening, and gave me more time to react during the fight. Its important to gain an understanding of why you win or lose. If you just keep dying without understanding why, you are not really gaining experience.

Also look at the losses of good pilots. Try to figure out the idea behind their fits. What ranges will try to hit and what will their dps be, how will they deal with brawlers and kiters etc.

Obviously if you have fraps, a large enough hard drive, and your willing to look at the fights you lost and what the enemy was likely fitting that would be even more helpful.

Also joining a good pvp corp can be a big help.


Whats fraps? Also when ur learning to pvp ur not going to win very often. ...or at all. Would it be a good idea to fit a ship scanner so u can see opponents fit gaining more knowledge from the fight? Yeah u gimp ur build a bit but u were going to lose anyways. Maybe this will change the learning curve enough u can take the scanner(aka training wheels off) sooner and start winning


http://www.fraps.com/

I wouldn't fit a scanner. Keep the log window open (its under accessories) that will usually indicate what guns he is using. Often you can simply ask to see your opponents fit after a fight. They will often give it. If not you can check their losses and see if you find the fit.

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Taoist Dragon
SHAVED
#45 - 2013-07-03 21:55:10 UTC
Most pvp'er will happly chat after a fight with a new pvp'er and give tips/advice on how you could have done better.

And the ones who don't.....just look them up on Battleclininc or zkillboard and check out their losses. Chances are they will have lost a few of the ship they were flying previously.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Meditril
Second Star
Cheese Party
#46 - 2013-07-04 14:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
Pinaculus wrote:
You suck at PvP for the same reason most of us do. Experience and ISK. Because you're inexperienced you don't want to dump loads of ISK into your ships, as they'll just blown up from pilot errors. You're fighting people that have already gone through that learning curve and know that they aren't going to make a ton of errors, so they can afford to fly really expensive ships, implant sets, boosters, etc. That means you're at a double disadvantage.

This is my biggest problem with EvE PVP. They tell you to start with frigates because they're cheap, but the fights are over so fast that it's hard to tell why you won or lost.

Though, if you've got 110m SP you should be able to make enough cash to fly a bit more expensive setups. I'm not talking about getting a bunch of AFs destroyed for no reason, but a decent implant set and boosters should give you plenty of edge to learn on. Learning to get your pod out in low-sec isn't that difficult, so it's a reasonably safe investment.


You are missing one point with regards to PVP. Every ship you take out for PVP is fated to die, sooner or later. In contrast to fighting against NPC in missions/plexes/wormholes the situation in PVP is not predictable. So even if you have a very expensive over-pimped ship at the end of the day a blob will catch you. This is the reason why noobs are advised to keep the losses cheap.

However, if you have enough ISK and you can easily charge of a 200 MISK loss (or even more) then there is nothing which stops you to get out in somthing bigger and go into FW and try you luck. Since in FW most people are flying small stuff you will at least easily get several kills before the inevitable death of your ship will happen. This is what many PVP people do if they get fed up of flying the small stuff.

The funny thing with PVP is that if you fly small ships you can easily make some ISK out of PVP if you know how to do. Flying larger ships simply creates too expensive loss mails to make this business profitable, except for you are going for ganking of haulers.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-07-04 17:36:52 UTC
Honestly, you shouldn't believe a single thing any of these guys are saying. In EVE PvP you either have it or you don't. You obviously don't. The only answer I can see is that you should give me all your stuff and go mine. Lol

Jokes, jokes. Don't sweat the loses man. Look at my killboard. It is horrible. I am truly bad. I don't let that stop me though because blowing stuff up is fun. Your stuff, my stuff, their stuff, all the stuff. Everything burns!
Chessur
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#48 - 2013-07-05 17:22:17 UTC
To learn how to PvP talking to the right people, and being involed in the right community is what its all about. Sadly the eve-o forums are no that place. If you want some advice, shoot me a PM and I can get you started in the right direction. Hell you can even come fly with me some time :)
Valleria Darkmoon
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#49 - 2013-07-07 10:15:04 UTC
Get FRAPS and record your fights watch the replay and look for what you did wrong and what you did right. It will start out being a lot of the former and not much of the the latter but the balance will change as you focus on developing better habits although you won't see perfection basically ever (for example, I now always activate all hardners after every jump needed or not so I don't lose another ship to forgetting to turn them on).

The actual fight goes by so quickly in real time and you will make mistakes that you don't even come close to noticing as it is happening. FRAPS is the key to identifying them.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#50 - 2013-07-07 11:38:25 UTC
At least you are trying to pvp which is more than i am

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

Hetalia Villen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-07-09 08:25:29 UTC
Yeah mate, i think the point is, you're PVPing at all. I recently rolled this toon specifically to focus on PVP, within the first few days i was in Faction warfare and loosing ships daily (Yet to have a win) but basically the key thing is to get into the habit of looking at what you could do better, or what your opponent did that gave them the upper hand. Fraps is a great solution (One that i now intend to use myself).
But all in all mate, if you have the cash try to use cheapish fits, if your ISK flow is dwindling send a "Donation" from any alts you have laying around and just stack up on tons of cheap as hell frigs and go nuts.
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