Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Whoa never change a running system.
why .... tell me why we need new names for the skills??
This is EVE, a harsh place to live, and not Hello Kitty in Space, let the new Player learn the old Names.

Damm next time comes the win button for new Players, because they can´t fly a Titan in 5 Days.

NO Mainstream ****

Only name changes or will there be primary/secondary attribute changes to go with the changed groups...

I'm all for these changes. I've had so many new players get pissed off because in order to use a light missile launcher you need the unlock skill before the improvement skill. It makes sense in Dust, but not in EVE because there is no tree, just an arbitrary list with arbitrary names.

obfuscation for the sake of "sounding sci-fi" or "immersion" is crap, and ruins the game. It isn't dumbing down the game to not make it a labyrinthine pain in the ass just to train skills. Accessibility != ease.

"Wait you mean there's an electronics skill, and an electronics group"? ****, I've been playing this game for 3 years and I still get confused on what is in engineering and what is in electronics.

New names are awesome, look what changing them did for the implants, It is SO much easier to understand what the game is conveying now. You don't need to read 7 books of lore to figure out what implants do what.

As for the skill attributes, the idea of keeping things organized by remap plans is pretty weak. Almost all remapping plans use third party clients that map everything out for you. CCP has no in game remap/skill planning tools, so it makes no sense to keep these the same based on third party options, that already organize things based on skills priority/attribute/user preference.

Also, Is there plans to update the certificates in general? A few of those are awfully out of date.

I have a suggestion.

Leave it.

If it aint broke don't fix it

This and This. And the Engineering and Electronics points people have raised, they sound good, they are pre-reqs for basically everything, everyone has them at 5 super quickly and promptly forgets their existance.

You're Fixing It. It Ain't Broke.

Don't Fix It. It Ain't Broke!

+1 for keeping "Spaceship Command"

busy work indeed, put a toilet in my pilot house, I mean captain's quarters

+1 for keeping Spaceship Command.

As to the rest... I'll get used to it. I've learned over time what everything is and where it goes, but recently I have gotten my wife to start playing, and she is confused as all hell. So I can definitely see this as removing an unneccessary (that being the key) barrier to entry for new players.

Please note, that I am all for barriers to gameplay for newbies, no one should get things handed to them. But like the scanning mechanics of the (ancient) past, this was just over complicated, for no good reason.

A few comments.

CCP should really make an effort to make EVE more beginner-friendly, no doubt.
Some skills like Multitasking and Nanite Control ought to be renamed, because the name is utterly misleading. But.

You are going way to far with this concept.

As many before me have already stated, many of the proposed name changes are uninspiring.
Space Ship Command should really be spaceship command. Really, what's the point?

Also: Every name change that you do also has a NEGATIVE impact on the playability. Simply because all ressources on the web will be outdated.
I have experienced that over and over again with previous renamings (e.g. Auto-Targeting Missiles).
Maybe a newbie didn't get what a F.O.F. missile was.
But a newbie with some minimum cleverness managed to throw that expression into Google and whoa - here we go.
But try to find something if the name has changed during the last two years...
I am really sad about what happened (not) to Evelopedia. I used that A LOT, that was one of my primary ressources when I was a noob. But now it's utterly useless, because each and every single ship and item has been rebalanced.
That should of course not imply that you stop rebalancing because of Evelopedia - God forbid!
But it shows the effect.
There should be only things renamed when it'S REALLY necessary.
And maybe it would also be noob-friendly to update Evelopedia.

That said, I for example always thought it was good that some skills (Electronics, Engineering, Social...) had the same name as their category. That way I would always know which one was the "basic" skill in the category which I needed to train first.
The one that has the most impact on what I was doing.
Compare Electronics (+5% CPU) to Target Breaker Amplification (+?% weird nonsense).
Anything that makes it more likely that new players put their energy into the important skills to let them get into the game faster is a good thing.

As someone else has said, fix things stop changing things.

Rebalancing was annoying, giving tech one ships tech style roles. what fun can i have in a osprey now?

Dumb the game down, hope to increase subscription figures and playerbase.

gna start saving to buy my skillpoints.

Ps, EA gonna ruin you.

My gripes are:

1) Spaceship Command should stay
2) Planetary Interaction skills are scattered all over the place. (very unhappy with this one)
3) Multiple Targeting is a bad name

Other than those 3 I have no complaints.