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Faction warfare complexes are a broken mechanic. 'Plexers' fly empty ships, warp core stabilized ships, cloaking ships and have almost zero risk in exchange for the loyalty points they are earning. They can do this with day-old characters. There is no way for another player (whether it is a pirate or an opposing faction) to stop the plexer as they can just warp from complex to complex in a single system running each one down a little until they end up back where they started. My assertion is that players who are actively taking part in capturing a complex and fly in ships capable of defending the complex should be rewarded more than players who risk almost nothing.

Empty ships are relatively easy to catch, though there is ample warning and time to escape. Warp core stabilized ships can be killed with a large alpha or multiple points, but often they will warp off. Cloaking ships can be found with enough effort. I am not arguing that there is no counter, but the effort in comparison to the risk is herculean.

I've spoken with people taking advantage of the brokenness. They admit it is broken and there is no risk. I often see new characters (sometimes created that day) who are in faction warfare plexing -- these are never brand new players; they are veterans taking advantage of a broken system.

Faction warfare complex timers should roll back when not actively being run down by a faction warfare pilot. I don't want this to be bogged down by specifics, so I won't indicate at what rate the timers should roll back (but I expect it should be at least at the same rate they are captured and possibly vary depending on the occupant of the complex).

Full disclosure: I am a pirate who often preys on plexers; most of the time I am solo, and often times I am not the victor. This is not a proposal to assure I gather more killmails.

+1

CCP said they would do this but then got distracted into fiddling with the way lp is paid out. (end result: fw still broken) I would love to know if this is still being worked on.

People who want to run and hide from all pvp would still be able to do fw missions. Please allow plexing to be a pvp mechanic.

Anyone who wants to see how to win sov under the current mechanics can go here:

https://api.eveonline.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx

Look up the pilots and most "vp points yesterday" and copy the fits they used that day.

If they didn't lose or kill any ships that day (despite having a huge impact on sov) it should tell you something.

+1

I am in FW to easily support my pvp habit. However not having the timers roll back is just silly. Both from a lore pov and a gameplay pov.

I personally would also go a step further by removing LP for D-plexing. And add multiple single ship spawns in plex's to ensure that you need at least a combat (not nesicassrily) a pvp fit ship to run them. You could have the second and subsequent npc's not stop the timer so a novice plex doesn't take a year to cap after the initial npc is killed but it would keep the plexer 'active'

As for the removal of LP for d-plexing. I originally thought that LP should be given for d-plexing but now after experianceing months of unfitted LP farmers I am of the opinion that removing it would aid the WZ dynamics greatly. Currently when a faction reaches Teir 3 the farmer flock to said faction and d-plex the crap out of contested systems as the gains are hugh with little to no effort/risk. This also makes the WZ become very static as the 'losing' side finds it very difficult to fight both the pvp'ers and farmers of the 'winning' side to cap systems.





Actually now that I think about it. remove LP for d-plexing would probably be the easiest and most effective method of increaseing pvp and less LP farming.......and if my tinfoil is one right this would have the net benefit of increasing the number of ships lost, therfore increasing the overall isk sink that FW is designed to be economically......

Absolutely agree with this proposal. There have been several other threads on this subject, so let's hope someone gets on sorting it out.



Agreed.

Also I suggest multiple NPC spawns during countdown (say once every n/5 minutes, n being the original plex timer) and balancing of npcs so that a cloaky stabbed condor can't take out NPC cruisers. (sorry Taoist, only read your post after I posted x)).

As for LP for Dplexing, that is less of a problem I thought it would be initially in terms of farming. You'll mostly see farmers offensive plexing, usually in backwater/quiet systems anyway. They are all about efficiency of their efforts so Dplexing is not their primary concern. If Dplex payouts were to change I'd go with my original proposal (made before LP for Dplex was introduced) - direct defensive plexing LPs to system upgrade status contributions. No LP's for farmers, but some rewards for defenders.

Some other fw related stuff:
- Would also be nice if they balanced FW missions across races, but that's another story.
- give us system upgrade benefits which were originally proposed pre-retribution.

+1 would love to see this implemented

It's faction WARfare not carebear

Basically, promoting some thoughts of mine here.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3329509#post3329509


Starts at first linked posting, walls of text, maybe hard to understand at first try, especially since i'm not a native english speaker.
Few questions, anwers and clarifications in following posts. Would be glad if interested people start debating it, why it's good, why it's bad, how it's exploitable etc etc.


and a +1 for this thread in general

i fully support any kind of "timer resets" or "backwards running timers" proposals. It was even considered for inferno and i basically mentioned it in every thread i saw devs lurking back than. But devs dropped it (they probably ran out of time, can't remember the reason).

there are several different versions which do more or less the same:
- timer reset (immediate)
- backwards running (slow but automatic)
- quick decontest (timer runs faster till default state is reached)

so game designers would have enough options to balance it up and down (could be even system upgrade lvl dependent)

so yeah +1


edit: what makes me a bit sad is that CCP repeatedly tried to fix the problem but they never fixed it at the root: there is still no incentive to stay in a plex and fight. Plexers which run make progress with 0 risk investment (still). There should be no progress if you can't defend a plex. Plex layout changes didn't help (people where complaining back then that they can't point plexers quick enough since the beacon was too far away from the warpin -> bullshit that was not the problem the problem was and still is that there is no incentive to fight)

what do you think the alt does while you undo the damage he did in the plex? he plexes another system or waits at you in the other plex in the same system. Now you can choose tho hunt him around all the time or decontest. In any case he already won since you alone can not undo the damage he did while he runs or plexes. His risk investment: 0, he probably multiboxes mutiple pexes at once. Your risk investment: a combat ship. He makes progress while running away, you do not while willing to fight. Why should you plex in combat ships again?

why should you be able to take over systems without being able to defend the plex you are in? Imagine it is war and everybody cloaks.

Sounds like a fair proposal.

+1