Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi

There is no glowing way to put this

If you remove local chat

Eve Online will fold and die within a week for half the player base

There will be a 100% rise in empire griefer corps war deccing anyone and everyone. No were will be safe, you may as well make all systems null sec and let the game be entirely run by the player base and then watch the market crash and fall when no delivery are made etc

There will be no way for players i.e new players to keep themselves safe. Having to learn about directional scanner in empire and running every time a combat ship appears in a mission system?

Are you berifit of reason?

This is simply a was of PvPers forcing more of the EvE Online players (pve and miners like me) to pvp when we don't want to.

Remove it in null sec - yes i get this idea, that is actually a good idea from what i know of null sec

Remove it in empire?

Watch the game fold and die in 1-2 weeks with only 20k hardcore players left to play eve

don't do it, just leave empire alone

Removing local would be bad but so was your post.

Empire is dependent on being safer than other areas.

Local chat's relation to safety is incidental at best, and a poorly considered misuse at worst.

I would suggest the following:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112964&find=unread

Transferring the war dec specific standings information could be done in empire, as special consideration, to the scanned items.
After all, Concord is tracking activity, and war decs are already known to them automatically so they know to not interfere.

Local needs one small upgrade, an AFK icon. If the mouse on the accounts PC isnt touched for 30-60mins, you get a zzz by your name when moused over could say "afk for x mins". Doesnt mean the person is afk, could be watching the screen on a laptop while on his main PC but it would be a nice indicator.

To be honest though, I dont care if it happens or not, just deal with it.

tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through thee gate. Effortless intel is bad.

Then a small delay in showing people in local, scaling with security level.
In real time for high sec, and then a delay increasing by system security.

removing local in 0.0 will ruin the game aswell ...do you think all those null bear will apreciate that ...not at all and a great % of null sec pop is actualy null bear ...so wither you lose null bears , carebars or both ...dont think ccp want to lose players at all so wont happend

It been asked: What is PvP? And it has been answered many times. "Why PvP is simply player vs player my friend."

Despite such a simple answer, people only listen to what they wish to hear what they can abuse for their own gain, if they are struck down or....as some people put it, forced to adapt, they strike down the idea of adding more PvP elements and say that this will kill the player base.

My friend, EvE is the embodiment of PvP. You call PvE, player vs environment. In reality though who else are you facing? You face those in the environment that are searching for you so they can destroy you and benefit from your death... Even running away is a way of interacting with another player so thus PvP.... When you mine you must also compete with other players, selling your minerals at a better price so that other's will buy your stuff, fighting with players to get the best roids.... Hiring suicide gankers to destroy competition. Playing station games in low sec to see who will get bored first..... Talking to other players and scamming them.... This is all PvP, you are versing another player to get ahead in the world -> However you call it PvE to justify your claims of giving yourself the biggest advantage over your competition. This is still PvP.

As for the point of removing Local chat.

-> Change is good, it very good as long as it comes in small spurts, this allows the player to adjust themselves to the new and changing game world and not over whelm them, before you can remove local new intel tools must be put in place to allow for some kind of replacement to this sudden lose of having a babysitter.

-> after all improving and providing more options is always the best way to improve PvP, be it options to allow someone to hunt down a player and destroy/compete with them.... To allowing one self to defend themselves and run away.

New item: Local comms jammer, it's strong enough to stop people appearing if they are quite, but can't override conversation.

Ship has to be deployed to activate it, so if you see one, you have to get out of the station to go find and kill it, at the same time, you don't know who or how many are going to be there defending it.

[Edit: Cov-Ops fit only]

The OP is stating that local should not change, and is necessary.

Many other threads exist claiming the opposite.

Some use facts, others strongly worded opinions.

Both try to convince.

Myself, I simply point out how local dumbs down the game. This cannot be denied, as it performs intel gathering automatically for the player so well, it denies efforts possible that would duplicate it as meaningless.