Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sound idea - however why change what is (possibly) not broken?

People seem to enjoy current L4s to some extent - if it was purely for the money, they could just join FW and farm that - granted I'm rather poorly skilled for mission BS and fly a plain T2 fitted navy BS, but I made far more isk/hr in FW which I've been part of until last week than I currently do running L4s.

Yes - they're predictable, repetitive and boring and even I can do them whilst playing a different game in another window and watching TV at the same time, but sometimes, that's just what people may be looking for.

Can't imagine I'll be doing it for long, but as an interlude until I made up my mind on what to do next, they're just fine. I'd take a week off and go mining, but I have no mining skills - so L4s serve just as well.

I like the general Idea though - however I would use that on incursions - less manpower required and people running them can adapt more easily to unexpected challenges, having fun in the process...

I don't have any numbers, but considering how often I rescued myself during the last few days, I'd imagine I'm rescued a couple of hundred times a day - not to mention all the other missions - I think you'd need far to much personel for human intervention to have any meaninful impact - with incursions, that would work.

You might be onto something, maybe the ultimate skirmish battleships with warp strength and MJD spool timer bonuses (must also have at least 1 high utility slot) would deffinatly create a niche and some interesting techniques

remove ewar bonus? i have yet to see a marauder with an ewar bonus.

and remove high slots? thats the most rediculas thing i have ever heard of.
i want a ship that hits like 10 guns but only uses ammo for 4.
how is that the same as pirate?
its just the opposite.
and loose utilities? crazy talk.
go check yerself into a psych ward.

the more utilities, the better. if it can do the same damage but have 7 utilities, i would be tickled pink.
thats several nos/neuts, scanners, smart bombs, whatever...AND still hit with 10 guns/torps...

you are simply smokin crack.

It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it, and for you "balance" is a foreign dish eaten only by PvPers.

100% agree with Malcanis view on this. Having a PvE dedicated ship is a bandaid on bad game design, whereas the real fix would be to make PvE more like PvP and require a similar fit.

Yo Foo's, I got this.

New Marauders: Immune to all forms of electronic warfare.

Now you can go troll around behind enemy lines much easier and get away too. ;)

Marauders don't need more blap. They need more utility. The sensor strength weakness makes them less desirable for pvp. Makes them too easy to shut down for a ship that takes so much training with so much cost. But as you may already know, ships shouldn't be balanced around cost/skill ceiling. Leaving them mostly the same will allow them to be utilizable while still being risky.

With this, they should have more mass than the average BS because if you can't slow them, they can just mwd out of bubbles. Also maybe they shouldn't be allowed to use MJD. They should be tanky, but not more than any other BS. The EWAR immunity adds enough to your survivability. I think they should lose the tractor beam bonus for a Remote Repair/Shield Transfer range bonus while maintaining the same slot layout. Anyone see where this is going?

These ships should have great utility for solo play AND for fleet activity. And the only way to properly do justice to their description, you need resistance to being caught.

These ships would have a lot of generalization. That way you don't have one ship with massive cost and SP training doing one role much better than anything else. You'd have 1 ship that could do a lot of things well without the whole Tech III stigma attached. You'd also have a ship that isn't Mission oriented without losing it's mission running viability. And not just that but it would be group oriented with it's rep bonuses.

I wonder if people would find new niche roles to use these in outside of their intended role.... ;)

Shush. You should just listen up now. All the people who never have used Marauders and never will are explaining to us how they need to be.

Seems that players have "endured" this "awful" PvE for many many years now, with nary a peep, but seems that the drums beats to radically change it have only cropped up in the last 12 months, and from a VERY FEW sources, once null sec income streams had been industrialized.


It also seems that this awful PvE income streams, at least in high sec, have seen at least 3 nerfs in income in the past 2 years. And hate to break it to you, but ANYONE who is in a null sec alliance, regardless if he sits on the CSM or not, has no moral high ground to stand on and dictate what is good for high sec PvE.

Er there have been quite a few "peeps" over the years, old chum.

Or would you like to make the argument that EVE's PvP isn't - at it's best - mediocre?

why would anyone bring a bs for exploration, since exploration is not about combat anymore?
for big scannable combat sites you need a special fitted ship or a small group anyway so no need here for a bs which looses a bonus for scanning either. better bring a fully combat oriented bs.
for smaller combat sites, a T3-cruiser is all you need. requires less skill time too.

Make them more M-A-R-A-U-D-E-R ish?

Give them a generalised role bonus towards hacking structures including control towers (/Techno-babble ".... need for a Battleship hull and power-grid systems to support the immense mainframes required for concerted projected electronic attacks....."/Techno-babble) possibly even other ships - kind of like a reverse/negative effect warfare link.

Fix the oddities aswell:

like the absurdly low sensor strength, the Vargur powergrid, the defunct tractor bonus, oh did I mention the Vargur powergrid?....