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What's the best T2 frigate in the game for solo pvp?
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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-07-01 15:43:46 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

On topic: I believe Hawk is better than Veng^^

Depends on what kind of boosts are available to each. ;)
Shinjo Bajahnhosuu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-07-01 17:05:48 UTC
Zappity wrote:
The best T2 ship for a noob is a T1 ship.



This, plus support skills. As painful and boring as it may seem, spend time training your gunnery and nav support skills before bothering with T2 and/or cross training multiple platforms. Having your support skills maxed will do more for you than anything else.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#43 - 2013-07-01 18:14:51 UTC
Arty wolf is hands down, one of the most deadly solo PvP frigs in existence.

Something like this:

[Wolf, New Setup 1]
Co-Processor II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
[empty high slot]

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#44 - 2013-07-01 19:58:49 UTC
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-07-01 21:25:50 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.

You do realize that the arty Wolf benefits from the fact that it doesn't get hit, right? It's like any other kiting ship. You don't engage things with more range than you, and you are always ready to gtfo. The difference is that the Wolf puts out sick dps for a frig kiter, whereas most other AFs cannot do this. It's kind of like the DC tanked kite Stabber. It will completely ruin any brawler cruiser, except maybe the Vexor, and that's just because Vexor drones are annoying. However, the Vex is too slow to ever actually catch the Stabber if he wants to gtfo, so long as he isn't dumb enough to get in web range.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#46 - 2013-07-01 22:42:55 UTC
So you never take it through a choke point? How are you expected to roam in it?

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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#47 - 2013-07-01 23:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.


Don't listen to this guy. Please come to Nisuwa with that fit and own the FW noobs that fly around the area.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#48 - 2013-07-01 23:19:50 UTC
anything Railed/Rocket/Missile, dual webbed with an mwd is a bonus

just be careful for Daredevils

no more games... it's real this time!!!
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#49 - 2013-07-01 23:28:28 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.


Don't listen to this guy. Please come to Nisuwa with that fit and own the FW noobs that fly around the area.



I regularly run my LM hookbills with no tank now too.
It's been more successful at crashing plexes and winning more often since removing the MSB and lowering the sig radius.

Also - Shield modules take up a valuable 'tear module' spot (like ECM, Damps, and TD's).



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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#50 - 2013-07-01 23:42:54 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.


Don't listen to this guy. Please come to Nisuwa with that fit and own the FW noobs that fly around the area.



I regularly run my LM hookbills with no tank now too.
It's been more successful at crashing plexes and winning more often since removing the MSB and lowering the sig radius.

Also - Shield modules take up a valuable 'tear module' spot (like ECM, Damps, and TD's).





Yes, but there's a big difference:

Wolf's tear module slots: 2
Hookbill's tear module slots: 5

And taking that analysis a step further after you take the mandatory prop mod + point.

Wolf's tear module slots: 0
Hookbill's tear module slots: 3

Also, hookbill is still OP :)
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#51 - 2013-07-02 00:55:59 UTC
chatgris wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.


Don't listen to this guy. Please come to Nisuwa with that fit and own the FW noobs that fly around the area.



I regularly run my LM hookbills with no tank now too.
It's been more successful at crashing plexes and winning more often since removing the MSB and lowering the sig radius.

Also - Shield modules take up a valuable 'tear module' spot (like ECM, Damps, and TD's).





Yes, but there's a big difference:

Wolf's tear module slots: 2
Hookbill's tear module slots: 5

And taking that analysis a step further after you take the mandatory prop mod + point.

Wolf's tear module slots: 0
Hookbill's tear module slots: 3

Also, hookbill is still OP :)



Shhhhhh. Hooky is fine. Balanced and stuff.


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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#52 - 2013-07-02 01:04:25 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
chatgris wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.


Don't listen to this guy. Please come to Nisuwa with that fit and own the FW noobs that fly around the area.



I regularly run my LM hookbills with no tank now too.
It's been more successful at crashing plexes and winning more often since removing the MSB and lowering the sig radius.

Also - Shield modules take up a valuable 'tear module' spot (like ECM, Damps, and TD's).





Yes, but there's a big difference:

Wolf's tear module slots: 2
Hookbill's tear module slots: 5

And taking that analysis a step further after you take the mandatory prop mod + point.

Wolf's tear module slots: 0
Hookbill's tear module slots: 3

Also, hookbill is still OP :)



Shhhhhh. Hooky is fine. Balanced and stuff.




This
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#53 - 2013-07-02 02:55:47 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.

You do realize that the arty Wolf benefits from the fact that it doesn't get hit, right? It's like any other kiting ship. You don't engage things with more range than you, and you are always ready to gtfo. The difference is that the Wolf puts out sick dps for a frig kiter, whereas most other AFs cannot do this. It's kind of like the DC tanked kite Stabber. It will completely ruin any brawler cruiser, except maybe the Vexor, and that's just because Vexor drones are annoying. However, the Vex is too slow to ever actually catch the Stabber if he wants to gtfo, so long as he isn't dumb enough to get in web range.



Thats just wrong.

The whole "its tank is not getting hit" thing doesn't really work because a kiting frig with a tank is going to kill you.

No tank kiters are generally really gimpy. That said the arty wolf is alright.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#54 - 2013-07-02 03:13:03 UTC
not the sentinel. totally boring ship. cant even lift

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#55 - 2013-07-02 09:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

You know that only the noobs and newbies of amarr mili go highsec?
This toon was maybe 2 or 3 times (and only travelling through) in high sec this year. All you get in highsec are noobkills.
And most amarr militia core members also can´t go highsec any more but that is another issue^^

On topic: I believe Hawk is better than Veng^^


Let's face the truth, noobs are everywhere in EVE (high-sec, low-sec and even 0.0). I suppose they are even the majority of players. And this is fine. So what is your point here? If you to to FW low-sec the you will fight at 90% of time against WCS + Cloak noob farmers. So why is it now unethic to go the Amarr high sec to fight mission runners and haulers who at least give you a fight? Not to mention that the Amarr navy keeps you busy too.

Comming back to the topic: T2 frigates are in bad shape at the moment, especially the minmatar ones. But...
- Sentinel is funny to fly with lvl 5 skills.
- Malediction is a great interceptor which sometimes gives you even nice solo kills if you are careful and patient.
ImmutableDark
Absalom.
#56 - 2013-07-02 10:35:03 UTC
Fazon Risalo wrote:
I'm new to the game and can't tell real difference in between Assault Frigs, Interceptors, and specialty frigs in the Pirate and Navy categories for the purposes of solo pvp. And then you have four different races to choose from.

I realize that each weapon system and defense system has it's strengths and weakness along with different bonuses and resists. I also realize that many of those ships are designed to brawl other to kite. Of course we can't forget that one or the other would be vulnerable to such and such ECM. It seems like in EVE every ship has at least one if not several things that can turn it into a pile ash.

But, at the end of the day which T2 frigate would survive and conquer against the most ships, or at least escape in about 90% of roaming scenarios? (Perhaps 70% of scenarios if that seems unwieldy)


My honest opinion is the neut tristan and it's t1. It has the highest isk/effectiveness.

My BIASED opinion is that you're a noob and deserve to die a bazillion times before you realise this.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#57 - 2013-07-02 14:24:13 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
chatgris wrote:

Also, hookbill is still OP :)

Shhhhhh. Hooky is fine. Balanced and stuff.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#58 - 2013-07-03 17:37:34 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Shhhhhh. Hooky is fine. Balanced and stuff.
This

I used to be more upset about the hookbill, but then realized they don't do as well in larger numbers (numbers greater than 1).
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