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Satsuki Kurogiri
Helvetica Corporation
#1 - 2013-07-01 10:20:44 UTC
I've been reading around on various forums, wikia's and other resources about Piracy/ransoming in general. It's always seemed interesting.

Anyways, I've got a quick question. All the guides I seem to have found (Piracy guide on wiki.eve, Encyclopedia Pirataca, etc)
Seem to mention something along the lines of "Failure to acknowledge this single basic principle will lead you to run out of ISK very fast and end up with a large percentage of the pirate community in EVE actively hunting you if they spot you in their area of operation. "

So yeah, is there some kind of area I can report (I mean report as in "Tell other players to keep an eye out for this guy" as opposed to the "This guy is mean ban him I want CCP to ban him" type) the person?

You can stop reading here if you want.

Anyways, my story. Was casually flying around sucking up rocks on my procurer, got ganked, scrambled, and slowly whittled down (I almost killed him with my shoddy t1 drones, haha) to explosion levels. At around half of my armour, I hailed him in chat, arranged a payment, he agreed. I abandoned my drones, wired him the money, then was promptly podded.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-07-01 10:24:43 UTC
Satsuki Kurogiri wrote:
I've been reading around on various forums, wikia's and other resources about Piracy/ransoming in general. It's always seemed interesting.

Anyways, I've got a quick question. All the guides I seem to have found (Piracy guide on wiki.eve, Encyclopedia Pirataca, etc)
Seem to mention something along the lines of "Failure to acknowledge this single basic principle will lead you to run out of ISK very fast and end up with a large percentage of the pirate community in EVE actively hunting you if they spot you in their area of operation. "

So yeah, is there some kind of area I can report (I mean report as in "Tell other players to keep an eye out for this guy" as opposed to the "This guy is mean ban him I want CCP to ban him" type) the person?

You can stop reading here if you want.

Anyways, my story. Was casually flying around sucking up rocks on my procurer, got ganked, scrambled, and slowly whittled down (I almost killed him with my shoddy t1 drones, haha) to explosion levels. At around half of my armour, I hailed him in chat, arranged a payment, he agreed. I abandoned my drones, wired him the money, then was promptly podded.

You can post it in the Crime and Punishment subforums, but to be honest I'd never pay a ransom. Used to collect them let people go, but too many so called 'pirates' dishonoring them means no one ever pays nowadays.
Maika Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-01 10:28:53 UTC
That person would have killed you no matter if you paid him or not. That doesn't make him a pirtae. A good pirate will honor ransoms cause if he doesn't he soon will have the name and thus people will just stop paying as they know they will be killed anyway.
Satsuki Kurogiri
Helvetica Corporation
#4 - 2013-07-01 10:31:36 UTC
Aw, that's kind of sad to hear.
After all the years of reading stories on the net, and the aforementioned wikis/guides/forums, I was expecting some kind of gentlemanly unspoken pirate oath, But it seems everyone is more interested in random explosions instead.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#5 - 2013-07-01 12:13:52 UTC
Satsuki Kurogiri wrote:
Aw, that's kind of sad to hear.
After all the years of reading stories on the net, and the aforementioned wikis/guides/forums, I was expecting some kind of gentlemanly unspoken pirate oath, But it seems everyone is more interested in random explosions instead.


Yes and no, there are pirates that will honor ransoms, and will look down on those that don't. But of course knowing if you happen to find the one that actually honors the ransom is based on luck and you will just have to take a chance.

I can tell you that for me personally i would never pay a ransom, unless it was someone i knew (yes friends can still blow you up if you are neutral to each other Blink ) unless the person allowed me a minute to do a fast search to see if anyone could back him up and say "Yep, he honors ransoms". But in general i will always expect a "pirate" to dishonor the ransom and blow me up anyway because those KB stats means more then someones reputation Smile

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Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#6 - 2013-07-01 13:03:14 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Satsuki Kurogiri wrote:
Aw, that's kind of sad to hear.
After all the years of reading stories on the net, and the aforementioned wikis/guides/forums, I was expecting some kind of gentlemanly unspoken pirate oath, But it seems everyone is more interested in random explosions instead.


Yes and no, there are pirates that will honor ransoms, and will look down on those that don't. But of course knowing if you happen to find the one that actually honors the ransom is based on luck and you will just have to take a chance.

I can tell you that for me personally i would never pay a ransom, unless it was someone i knew (yes friends can still blow you up if you are neutral to each other Blink ) unless the person allowed me a minute to do a fast search to see if anyone could back him up and say "Yep, he honors ransoms". But in general i will always expect a "pirate" to dishonor the ransom and blow me up anyway because those KB stats means more then someones reputation Smile


Since when can pirates tackle and kill stationsP

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Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-01 13:13:41 UTC
Personally I don't like the idea of paying ransoms, but I always honor them on the rare case I do ransom though few actually pay. In both cases though few actually pay for the reasons above you don't know wether the person doing the ransom will honor the agreement. Also you may not have read it clearly and they we only agreeing to not pod you.

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Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#8 - 2013-07-01 13:19:23 UTC
Ransoms are generally more-so now used as scams, on another character our 0.0 corp will sometimes try and ransom random ships we catch in 0.0 then kill them if regardless on if they pay up or not. So generally paying a ransom is an utter waste of time

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Rammix
TheMurk
#9 - 2013-07-02 11:00:41 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Satsuki Kurogiri wrote:
Aw, that's kind of sad to hear.
After all the years of reading stories on the net, and the aforementioned wikis/guides/forums, I was expecting some kind of gentlemanly unspoken pirate oath, But it seems everyone is more interested in random explosions instead.


Yes and no, there are pirates that will honor ransoms, and will look down on those that don't. But of course knowing if you happen to find the one that actually honors the ransom is based on luck and you will just have to take a chance.

I can tell you that for me personally i would never pay a ransom, unless it was someone i knew (yes friends can still blow you up if you are neutral to each other Blink ) unless the person allowed me a minute to do a fast search to see if anyone could back him up and say "Yep, he honors ransoms". But in general i will always expect a "pirate" to dishonor the ransom and blow me up anyway because those KB stats means more then someones reputation Smile

I never pay ransoms no matter how honorable the pirate is. I prefer to lose several hundred mil. ISK (or even billions) instead of paying anything.
Caught me? I have no chance to kill you or to get away? Ok, that's fine. You can get my wreck and corpse but not my dignity. Big smile Don't want to try it IRL, but at least in a game one can afford to choose to die with dignity, instead of humiliating yourself by paying ransoms.

Forest Archer wrote:
Personally I don't like the idea of paying ransoms, but I always honor them on the rare case I do ransom though few actually pay. In both cases though few actually pay for the reasons above you don't know wether the person doing the ransom will honor the agreement. Also you may not have read it clearly and they we only agreeing to not pod you.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#10 - 2013-07-02 12:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Here's the dealio. A ransom is no different than a scam. Since there is no game mechanic that would guarantee that you are let go paying one is foolish unless it's a small amount. There's also no real "black list" of people who won't honor them and the C&P forum people will probably laugh at you for paying...while every "pirate" will tell you that THEY honor ransoms.

I'll gladly take your money and blow you up anyway. What are you going to do start broadcasting in local that I didn't honor something? The only ransom I would ever honor would be the one I offered to someone able to come back and punish me themselves.

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Aw, that's kind of sad to hear.
After all the years of reading stories on the net, and the aforementioned wikis/guides/forums, I was expecting some kind of gentlemanly unspoken pirate oath, But it seems everyone is more interested in random explosions instead.


That's not the reason. The reason is when you explode I also get anything that drops. Why take a 200mil ransom for a battleship and let it go when it could contain billions in mods? Take the 200 and see what drops.

Ransoms are over-rated anyway. As you can see above people just will not pay them. Unless the victim offers the ransom it's a waste of time even opening a convo because all you're going to get is "FUCKOFF *******" or something to that effect...which is why I just do carebears dirty these days.