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Teenage gamer may go to prison for 8 years.

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2013-07-01 12:17:39 UTC
This is pretty ****** up.
Ziphis
Dingus Coalition
HYPE-TRAIN
#102 - 2013-07-01 12:18:15 UTC
Balkor Wolf wrote:
Some nice freedom you have there America.

Certainly an interesting read though and if I take anything away from this it's that I shouldn't be telling everyone in Jita local about my plans to hotdrop the London Subway and gate camp the ticket barriers.

OH BTW LULZ GUYS THAT WAS SARCASM PLEASE DON'T TRACK ME DOWN AND REPORT ME TO OUR UNDERPAID POLICE FORCE.



Lol...nice plan xD

He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting 'All the Gods are bastards.'  - T. Pratchett
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-07-01 12:19:36 UTC
Nice Freedom of speech.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2013-07-01 12:21:09 UTC
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-07-01 12:26:16 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


You sound like a scared sheep that watches the news while shivering and holding onto a blanket.
DreznicK
OORt Cloud Research
The OORT Cloud
#106 - 2013-07-01 12:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: DreznicK
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Cam Mikaels wrote:
The kid was stupid. That's just not something you say in public, sarcasm or no. While I agree jail-time might be a bit much, he definitely should receive some kind of punishment.


DreznicK wrote:
I see someone who is technically an adult (18 now 19) and should have known better.
Sorry but there are a lot of things that just shouldn't be joked about, granted most won't get you sent to jail but this person was an idiot.



Bullshit. Sarcasm should and can not be punished, except you don't live in a country which constitutes free speech.


Well it sounds like you are getting a reality check, not happy about it are you ?
There are rules for living in a society, I am sorry if your parents failed to pass that information on to you.

And yes at times they completely suck, sad part of growing up I guess is you find out things are not what you expected them to be.
Probably why teenagers are always mad.
RAW23
#107 - 2013-07-01 12:27:53 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


A German doesn't even see a quarter of the internet as their country will censor even on copyright issues. It's draconian there on copyright and ideas about hate crimes


This is simply not true.

Quote:
In Germany mention things about ******, or even be a Holocaust denier, and you will face jail time (researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII).


And this isn't really true either. Nobody gets in trouble if their research stacks up. The problem with holocaust denial is that the research never does. That's not to say I agree with these laws but they are far less extreme than you make them sound.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-07-01 12:28:50 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


That's a pretty extreme example. Airports may actually be a special thing, especially in the states.

But I sure as hell can say to someone in real life that I'm gonna shoot up a school, laugh about it and say "just kidding" without the cops coming and locking me up.

Freedom of speech.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#109 - 2013-07-01 12:31:35 UTC
Confirming that "lol, j/k" is a get out of jail free-card.

If the una-bomber had put it at the end of his manifesto, everyone would've known it was just a big joke.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to be an idiot and make threats in a public forum. Let the system work it out - that's what the system is for.

Mittens learned there was a line not to cross - this kid jumped past the line a bit farther. Both may have been joking, but both actions have consequences.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#110 - 2013-07-01 12:31:40 UTC
Worst part is, I had to pause a moment to think about signing that petition. Not because I doubt the cause, but because I don't want my name on the government's shitlist. The fact that I worried about that, even for a second, scares the crap out of me.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#111 - 2013-07-01 12:34:17 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
This is not included under Freedom of Speech anymore than just randomly shouting "Fire!" in buildings.

Geez people, did everyone miss the education boat ??

He did not directly threaten anyone, and it was conveyed that it was intended as a joke. Therefore, it is covered. If it weren't do you think George Carlin would have spent a day of his life past age 40 out of prison?



So......drunken internet postings are now as aggrandized as a paid George Carlin routine ??

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Dion Cranes
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-07-01 12:34:47 UTC
American Law System at its best.
Thx God i'm not born there.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-07-01 12:34:52 UTC
Obama must channel Stalin and Mao at the same time.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#114 - 2013-07-01 12:35:29 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
This is not included under Freedom of Speech anymore than just randomly shouting "Fire!" in buildings.

Geez people, did everyone miss the education boat ??

He did not directly threaten anyone, and it was conveyed that it was intended as a joke. Therefore, it is covered. If it weren't do you think George Carlin would have spent a day of his life past age 40 out of prison?


That's true but Freedom of Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want.


Yup, saying something scripted as part of a show is not even on the same level as drunken anonymous postings.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-07-01 12:35:37 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Confirming that "lol, j/k" is a get out of jail free-card.

If the una-bomber had put it at the end of his manifesto, everyone would've known it was just a big joke.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to be an idiot and make threats in a public forum. Let the system work it out - that's what the system is for.

Mittens learned there was a line not to cross - this kid jumped past the line a bit farther. Both may have been joking, but both actions have consequences.


The authorities looking into it is one thing, locking the kid up for 8 years for a bad joke is another.
Trusting the system... yeah right.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-07-01 12:36:16 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


That's a pretty extreme example. Airports may actually be a special thing, especially in the states.

But I sure as hell can say to someone in real life that I'm gonna shoot up a school, laugh about it and say "just kidding" without the cops coming and locking me up.

Freedom of speech.


Afraid not you need to look up freedom.
Freedom to do something means there will be no repercussions from the government for your actions.
If there are repercussions like going to jail or receiving a fine your actions are not free.

Example - you can talk about hating your government all you want. (Freedom of speech)

Now if you start talking about killing your leader you are no longer talking but now implying a possible action and that can have repercussions.

Too many people/companies (especially news agencies) believe freedom gives them the right to be irresponsible it doesn't.
Your are responsible for your actions, and can be punished if you cross the line.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2013-07-01 12:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
War Kitten wrote:
Confirming that "lol, j/k" is a get out of jail free-card.

If the una-bomber had put it at the end of his manifesto, everyone would've known it was just a big joke.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to be an idiot and make threats in a public forum. Let the system work it out - that's what the system is for.

Mittens learned there was a line not to cross - this kid jumped past the line a bit farther. Both may have been joking, but both actions have consequences.

Did you really just compare a known murderer to some kid who made a smart assed comment on the internet? Seriously?

Edit: Mittens also didn't spend eight years in prison either, smartass.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-07-01 12:37:57 UTC
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

Also I'm taking notes on the cowards in this thread, I have a feeling you emulate your RL attitudes ingame and would make for some juicy war decs.
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
#119 - 2013-07-01 12:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: AlphaOperative Altren
Adolf Hitler. Sorry just wanted to see if that word really gets blocked like it appears to in other posts.

Edited to add:
Well thats the dumbest piece of censorship i think ive ever seen i my life.

He's not Voldemort ffs!

Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. ― Richard P. Feynman
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#120 - 2013-07-01 12:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".



This.

I don't even want the Freedom to do this.........


Just too many people trying to be idiotic in the search for 5 minutes (15 minutes is so yesterday) of Interweb Famousness. And it's not even clever.

The dude was not even posting anything political, or trying to express any kind of opinion at all about anything at all.

Protect a violent threat in this day and age ?? Get real. Blame the terrorists for "sucking away your freedom", not the governments.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882