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Whitehound
#41 - 2013-06-30 19:42:18 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Right but again, you are placing HAMs on a caracal. HAMs are a horrible weapon system- unless ...

You talk too much.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-06-30 19:44:13 UTC
OW, I think I got some E-peen in my eye.
David Kir
Errantry Armaments
#43 - 2013-06-30 19:51:34 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Chessur wrote:
A caracal fit with HAM's is fail fit. Just letting you know.

I do not know how you fit your Caracal, nor do I care. I used it to estimate the DPS of it.


AB, Gallente cruisers, rails and kiting are definitely not a combination you'd want to face a kiting Omen/Caracal/Stabber with.
All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better.
Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen.
But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB.

AHAC isn't a kiting setup, and most AHACs engage the enemy at 30km+ ranges.

Most AHAC setups are composed of Zealots/Muninns, not Deimoses.

In fact, I only know of one single faction that has used a "simil-AHAC" concept involving the Deimos.
Rote Kapelle, and they used it with blasters and heavy Minmatar recon support.

AHACs don't kite, they range/sig tank while being assisted by support tackle provided by recons.
There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control".

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Whitehound
#44 - 2013-06-30 20:47:55 UTC
David Kir wrote:
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All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better.
Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen.
But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB.
...
There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control".

No. The use of the AB saves you PG and allows you to use the larger 250mm railguns with which you get about the same DPS.

Kiting is range control just like water is a liquid. It means I do not care for what some people call a kiting fit, because kiting is a tactic and not a Minmatar fitting slapped onto a Gallente ship for instance. You can kite with anything if the target is right. So please do not expect me to care for what is and is not a kiting fit. I do not mean to insult your intelligence.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#45 - 2013-06-30 21:04:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Whitehound wrote:
David Kir wrote:
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All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better.
Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen.
But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB.
...
There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control".

No. The use of the AB saves you PG and allows you to use the larger 250mm railguns with which you get about the same DPS.

Kiting is range control just like water is a liquid. It means I do not care for what some people call a kiting fit, because kiting is a tactic and not a Minmatar fitting slapped onto a Gallente ship for instance. You can kite with anything if the target is right. So please do not expect me to care for what is and is not a kiting fit. I do not mean to insult your intelligence.


Please stop posting this garbage. The amount of stupid in this post is simply jaw dropping.

An AB does not allow you to kite, the fact that you fit an ab so you can use rails is proof that rails are useless on a cruiser. I have been saying this time and time again. As for range control, your AB provides you none. You have zero range control because you lack speed. You also lack long ranged webs / scrams- which means any ship that goes faster than 800ms (read any ship that uses an MWD) has the control.

Kiting is a tactic your right, and I have no idea what you are talking about when you mention a 'minmitar' fitting. That doesnt even make sense. But wait, theres more! Trying to 'kite' with a ship that goes 800ms and will be caught by any other ship using an MWD. Once your **** fit thorax is hard tackled, it will get melted because it applys horrible DPS and has no tank.

Ohh you can kite anything if the target is right? Sweet I am glad that you would be able to kill a mining barge / T1 industrial- props bro you kited the **** out of those strip miners. But between you and me, I don't think the OP was looking for tips on how to kill barges.

Kiting is range control like water is a liquid????? Now you are just saying words. Go back to bed or something, and leave the PvP talk to people that actually have a clue.

As for insulting inteligence, it is you sir who fails to see that you are in fact the one in this thread suffering form a chronic syndrome called: The Dunning Kruger effect.

Ok I think that I am done feeding the troll at this point, entertainment value is all but lost.
Whitehound
#46 - 2013-06-30 21:10:19 UTC
Chessur wrote:
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Let us know when you are really done with ranting, because I do not think you are.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-06-30 21:56:21 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Ok I think that I am done feeding the troll at this point, entertainment value is all but lost.


No, its still pretty entertaining, you're are only just getting warmed up.

Carry on.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#48 - 2013-06-30 22:18:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
OP, use a MWD deimos or vigilant with a Khanid web and neutrons. Have fun...C:
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-07-01 00:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Voyager Arran
Whitehound wrote:
David Kir wrote:
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All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better.
Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen.
But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB.
...
There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control".

No. The use of the AB saves you PG and allows you to use the larger 250mm railguns with which you get about the same DPS.

Kiting is range control just like water is a liquid. It means I do not care for what some people call a kiting fit, because kiting is a tactic and not a Minmatar fitting slapped onto a Gallente ship for instance. You can kite with anything if the target is right. So please do not expect me to care for what is and is not a kiting fit. I do not mean to insult your intelligence.


Kiting means controlling distance by being faster than the enemy. Range Control means controlling distance by making the enemy slower than you are. This might sound like semantics, but the difference will become very apparent the second you get into a fight with more than one person. Have fun crashing a gate at 800 m/s!

I know, it's shocking to think of in a game about honorable 1v1s.


Also, if you're going to use a Serpentis hull (don't do this unless you are hilariously rich), use a Fed Navy web for maximum speed reduction.
Whitehound
#50 - 2013-07-01 09:12:03 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Kiting means controlling distance by being faster than the enemy. Range Control means ...

Thank you, but I know what kiting is. Range control only means to control the range and nothing more. You can control range with superior speed, superior DPS or with e-war. So you can have the faster ship, but you will not be able to kite your target if it has got superior DPS or jams you. You can try though, but trying to kite is not the same as kiting when really the word you should be using is failing. So good luck with crashing gate camps in a solo cruiser. You will need it.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-07-01 10:13:23 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
You can control range with superior speed, superior DPS or with e-war


I for one would love to know how to control range with superior DPS.

Do your special-magic bullets push the target away from you?

Or do you shoot the engines first?
Whitehound
#52 - 2013-07-01 10:25:31 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
I for one would love to know how to control range with superior DPS.

Do your special-magic bullets push the target away from you?

Or do you shoot the engines first?

No, I do not shoot your engines. I aim at your stupidity to stay within range of my superior DPS.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-07-01 11:50:14 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Chessur wrote:
to OP:

1. Stop listening to everything whitehound is saying. ...

Don't listen to him, OP.

If you want to fit railguns to your Thorax then go ahead. I have given you a fitting that lets you use railguns on your Thorax without tracking issues.


Your kidding right? Med rails cannot track a cruiser. If the cruise pilot knows what he is doing, they can get under your guns. Infact because of the poor damage and amount of fitting space rails take- its a really sub par weapon system when compared to anything else.

How about a duel? 500mil bet your rail rax vs my caracal or my scythe fleet issue?



You can be sure If I see a rails rax on the way I'll do whatever it takes to be on top of it, either whatever with long range med weapons, even missiles doesn't matter you stay away just go in your optimal and melt if before he does.
The same rax with blasters thou, wouldn't get anywhere closer and would rather try to kite it in the 20km window where it can't hurt much.

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