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Edit: thanks everyone, got a build down the bottom and would love some input
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Wade Ambraelle
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-07-01 04:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Wade Ambraelle
hello all

So I have been browsing and learning a lot about skills etc etc and I really want to fly in pvp if I could but after googling and stuff like that I found out that core skills are so important to being a good pilot. my original plan was to get into a frig and train for it in a way I could be useful and have fun under 30 days but have found not such build.

Instead what I plan to do is just not play for well 110 dayish as I train my core skills up some of them level 5 like Electronics, Engineering, Energy Management etc etc then the others like Navigation and so on to level 4 to get me started.

Anyone else done this?
Keith Gavner
Nomura Industries
#2 - 2013-07-01 05:26:12 UTC
This is a terrible idea.

Look at this http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/qsa2j/newb_here_need_a_guide_or_something_to_start_me/c402d46
and this https://wiki.pleaseignore.com/wiki/Basic_30_day_Plan.

Then you can have some fun in Eve. No need to waste months to have fun here !
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#3 - 2013-07-01 05:28:43 UTC
Get as much PvP practice in as you can before you hit 900k SP. After that, you have to sink extra money into keeping your clone updated if you get podded a lot.

Also, the "later" you start PvPing, the more expensive your entry into PvP, as the initial losses are just as inevitable but you'll likely lose them in more expensive fits.
Wade Ambraelle
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-07-01 05:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Wade Ambraelle
ill look through the first post but the second says I need a password

okay I would love to get into the rifter and I am not being lazy I have spent the last 4 days trying to get my head around eve, and will continue to do so but (there is always a but)

could someone help me with a load out/training plan, I get the load out part (starting too so so many parts) and the fact I need to train for them to equip them but what I am not sure of is the support or core skills, what is a good level for targeting or Evasive maneuvering etc etc what skills and levels are worth level to make me a better pilot in the rifter and too what level

so so lost if someone could help me that would be grand
Hogarth Starbanger
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-07-01 05:34:28 UTC
Wade Ambraelle wrote:
hello all

So I have been browsing and learning a lot about skills etc etc and I really want to fly in pvp if I could but after googling and stuff like that I found out that core skills are so important to being a good pilot. my original plan was to get into a frig and train for it in a way I could be useful and have fun under 30 days but have found not such build.

Instead what I plan to do is just not play for well 110 dayish as I train my core skills up some of them level 5 like Electronics, Engineering, Energy Management etc etc then the others like Navigation and so on to level 4 to get me started.

Anyone else done this?


Least be happy learning skills are a relic of the past.
Keith Gavner
Nomura Industries
#6 - 2013-07-01 05:34:48 UTC
You are correct.
You should be able to access it from the first post under the 30 days skill plan entry.
Wade Ambraelle
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-07-01 05:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Wade Ambraelle
ty, learning skills yea I heard about them I do not mind waiting at all, i just am so lost the more i dig into the game the more i get lost lol, just need a bit of help getting started in a ship like a rifter then while i play i can learn too.
Keith Gavner
Nomura Industries
#8 - 2013-07-01 05:47:59 UTC
You are welcome.
It should help you to get a decent start and learn the basics.
I would also advise that you join a corp as soon as you know what you like to do in game. There are a handful of solid corps for newbros. Only thing I would advise against are things like the polyvalent high sec corp which say they do everything but are just a bunch of guys talking to each other while they do ****** thing alone, I don't like E-Uni but it is not a bad place, just don't stay there too long if you want to join.
Maika Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-01 06:27:45 UTC
So you think that just your SP matter in PvP.

Try again please.

SP is only a very small thing that matters in fights, experience is much more important.

A 1 mil SP guy that knows what he is doing will kick the living crap out of a 100mil SP guy that only logged in to add skills to train.
Wade Ambraelle
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-07-01 06:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Wade Ambraelle
Yea so so pumped now got my skills set up for my first 10 days of my eve life cant wait to get into the rifter and blow up and buy another rifter and blow up and buy anot.... lol but really cant wait.

edit: while I got a fair bit of isk by buying 1 plex to get me started what is a good cheap effective load out for me, the 30 day guide said after 15 hrs ill be good to go for a basic loadout, but the link to the loadout is locked for some reason.

skills I will have

Propulsion Jamming 1
Energy Grid upgrades 2
Energy Emission Sys 1
Weapon Upgrade 1
hull upgrade 1
afterburner 3
High speed Manoeuvring 1
Minmatar frigate 3

and thank you all once again for taking the time to help me i really do appreciate it.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-07-01 06:48:37 UTC
Wade Ambraelle wrote:
hello all

So I have been browsing and learning a lot about skills etc etc and I really want to fly in pvp if I could but after googling and stuff like that I found out that core skills are so important to being a good pilot. my original plan was to get into a frig and train for it in a way I could be useful and have fun under 30 days but have found not such build.


So you read up and did some research. Good work. Not being sarcastic, that's a key point to succeeding in this game. Actually putting some of your own effort in. However, the guides you read are wrong or not suited for you, and probably assume all level 5 skills, which no newbie will have, and even some 2-3 year old players may not have.

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Instead what I plan to do is just not play for well 110 dayish as I train my core skills up some of them level 5 like Electronics, Engineering, Energy Management etc etc then the others like Navigation and so on to level 4 to get me started.

Terrible idea. Success in PVP does not come from skillpoints alone. Actually knowing how to fit, what kind of engagements to get into, the strengths and weaknesses of your ships vs your opponents. Those come with actual experience and actually playing the game.

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Anyone else done this?

Going by the rookie chats and NPC corp chats, Yes. Most of them fail horribly, or never even try PVP since you'll always be behind older players on SP and feel the need to have XXX SP or XXX ISK before doing something.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-01 07:41:58 UTC
Don't fly alone.

To be successful as a solo pilot takes a lot of skill points and even more experience.

While even a 1 day old character can be useful in as a scout in a fleet and within a week you can fly a hero-tackler.
Make friends, earn trust and learn the game.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-07-01 07:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Wade Ambraelle wrote:
hello all

So I have been browsing and learning a lot about skills etc etc and I really want to fly in pvp if I could but after googling and stuff like that I found out that core skills are so important to being a good pilot. my original plan was to get into a frig and train for it in a way I could be useful and have fun under 30 days but have found not such build.

Instead what I plan to do is just not play for well 110 dayish as I train my core skills up some of them level 5 like Electronics, Engineering, Energy Management etc etc then the others like Navigation and so on to level 4 to get me started.

Anyone else done this?


If I may... That is really a horrible idea.

Your going to find yourself being able to use tech II items and then promptly loose your ships against guys with meta t1 items who has been skilling themselves up for pvp while getting their skills in order. I have seen it first hand how that happens and it is utterly demoralizing to the dude who spend that time skilling before he ventured into PVP vs somebody that knows how to handle his ship with less skills trained.

Train with t1 ships and mods while you can so when you are finally able to use t2 items, you will know how to make full use of their abilities with the skills you gain from pvp in t1 items.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#14 - 2013-07-01 12:35:40 UTC
Fully agree with Cannibal Kane on this one.

Seen plenty of people that says that they dont want to start to PVP until they have X amount of SP. In most cases this just leaves people thinking "Just one million SP more, just one more lvl 5 skill".
Heck i know a guy that has been playing for about 4 or 5 years, he has never left high sec. When i asked him 3 years ago he was planning to go to 0.0, but he wanted more SP first, when i asked him a half year ago he just needed enough ISK to buy a Super Capital, and im sure the next time i talk to him he needs a Titan before he feels "ready". But i also know that he has let the "fear" hold him back so long that he will never be able to break trough it and just go out there and see that he did not need that Titan in the first place.

This is also why im against new players buying characters. You will have a lot of SP, but you will have no idea about how to use them, thus leaving the SP more or less useless and people get angry and upset because they get beaten by a 2 month old player. SP has an impact of course, but in the long run its your knowledge or the game, your ability to not panic and stay calm and thing rationally and some level of luck that will win the fights.

So go out there in a t1 frig, join RVB or similar, get blown up, watch your KB get filled with cheap losses, and eventually you will find that you find your self comfortable with loosing the ships, learn how to pick a fight, learn when you should run and soon enough you will find your self getting kills and your stats will even out more.
And more importantly, you will be able to have fun while doing this since the losses you have..well..its a cheap t1 frig...You wont have to grind to replace it or feel like your to broke to be able to afford to replace it, taking off a lot of pressure on you Smile

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Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#15 - 2013-07-01 13:22:25 UTC
On another character i was locked down in a Phobos I was moving by a noob in a velator just long enough for his friends to jump in and point me. Just because you are new doesn't mean you can't do anything. Everyone makes mistakes, and even the most veteran of players will over estimate his chances in battle.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Wade Ambraelle
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-07-01 13:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Wade Ambraelle
Yea thanks all for the help I am defiantly looking forward to getting out there. went for a poke around just before went from 0.5 to 0.3 gate was camped and got podded no biggy just wrote down there name in my little black book, not that i write every name down just the first ones lol.

so I have been looking at fit outs for the Rifter and most seem to be fitted for everything level 5 or close there too, so I had a look at a few different builds and mixed and matched certain things and added a Co-processor just to get me over the line for the first week or 2 of leveling.

Low slots:
200mm Reinforced rolled tugsten plate

Damage control tech 1

Nanofiber Internal structure tech 1 - seems pretty good, more so something I can fit that is useful without sending my power/cpu needs through the sky also once I improve with skills might look at replacing.

Mid slots:

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler

x5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Experimental 1MN afterburner

High Slots:

150mm Light autoCannon tech 1 x3 - once again when I get more skills ill move to tech 2

Small 'Knave' Energy Drain

Small rig slots:

empty until i have jury rigging etc plus the power needs met.

there are a few things that could change but while i am still getting some stuff too level 3 or 4 I can not fit things in and this is the best build i could get using EFT with stats set too 0. all up its like a few mill, and seeing i got a plex for this very reason blowing up ships to learn and get skill books just too start out i got plenty i can blow through before money becomes a issue.

just looking for some imput.

edit updated
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-07-01 13:34:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
your fit is not terrible but there is room for improvement. for example you typically want to concentrate on one type of tank, armor or shield, not both. there are CPU rigs out there iirc, so maybe replace the shield extender rig wih a cpu rig and see if you can free up one low slot.
also, a damage control will increase your time to live in pvp by a significant margin, so consider slapping one on.
lastly, the rifter is not the king of frigate pvp any more. if you like it, stick with it but i would advise you to at least take a look at the other combat frigates.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Wade Ambraelle
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-07-01 13:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Wade Ambraelle
Daniel Plain wrote:
your fit is not terrible but there is room for improvement. for example you typically want to concentrate on one type of tank, armor or shield, not both. also, a damage control will increase your time to live in pvp by a significant margin, so consider slapping one on.
also, the rifter is not the king of frigate pvp any more. if you like it, stick with it but i would advise you to take a look at the other combat frigates.



what would you suggest for a frigate that is noobie friendly?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-07-01 13:38:33 UTC
punisher, merlin, kestrel and slasher are all nice cheap pvp ships in their own right. the difference is mostly the play style they favor (and obviously the weapon systems).

I should buy an Ishtar.
Wade Ambraelle
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-07-01 13:39:04 UTC
tyvm