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The Issues with the Worm.
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Kibitt Kallinikov
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#41 - 2013-06-30 14:36:39 UTC
Jonas Sukarala wrote:
they should replace its missile velocity and dronebay bonus with proper drone bonuses
- drone tracking/velocity
-drone HP/damage
-25/100mb drones
All pirate frigs should have an extra slot and more EHP/speed/lower sig radius/lower mass as the bar has been raised by T1 frigs also price on these are too high really should be cheaper than bc's.


The Dramiel currently sits at around 54 million ISK, because Angel Cartel have quite a number of mission runners. Part of pirate facrion's extreme price is in their supply - it is why the Cruor is so expensive when compared to the other pirate frigates. If you find good deals, it is possible to get the occasional one for 40 million ISK. Now, the other part of price is demand, which is why the Daredevil is so pricy - people love a fast fright that lays down monster DPS with an epic web. As for me, I would fly Sansha's Nation until the day I left the game if the ships were ... easier to attain.

What I really would like to see is not buffs to pirate faction, but nerfs - especially to their prices. I want them to be more like empire factions and have Blueprints. More diversity would be cool, too.
Veldaran
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-06-30 20:23:23 UTC
The problem seems to be that every other faction frigate's special doubles weapon damage (or better) to free up slots for "whatever." The Worm doesn't have a damage boost at all! 50% missile velocity seems out of place with a 30km base targeting range.

I suggest the following alongside adjustments to PG/CPU:

Special Ability: 100% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile damage

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 4% shield resistance per level (Merlin)
Gallenty Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Drone tracking and hitpoints (Tristan)

Drones: 75m3 - 25Mb/s

This makes the choice between Rockets (brawler) and Light Missiles (kiting) more meaningful, beefs up drones and brings the Worm in line with other faction frigates and the Guristas Cruiser/BS.

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Naomi Anthar
#43 - 2013-06-30 20:29:21 UTC
Whoever +1 OP , must be out of mind. Sure giving 50 bandwitch to frigate, when even drone destroyers are not close to this number, seems legit. Totally ******** idea. Sure ship needs some buffs. But this ridiculous.
Naomi Anthar
#44 - 2013-06-30 20:36:17 UTC
Veldaran wrote:
The problem seems to be that every other faction frigate's special doubles weapon damage (or better) to free up slots for "whatever." The Worm doesn't have a damage boost at all! 50% missile velocity seems out of place with a 30km base targeting range.

I suggest the following alongside adjustments to PG/CPU:

Special Ability: 100% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile damage

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 4% shield resistance per level (Merlin)
Gallenty Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Drone tracking and hitpoints (Tristan)

Drones: 75m3 - 25Mb/s

This makes the choice between Rockets (brawler) and Light Missiles (kiting) more meaningful, beefs up drones and brings the Worm in line with other faction frigates and the Guristas Cruiser/BS.


This is also over top. Guys ship need buffs. But what you are suggesting is full ****** mode so far...
For example this suggestion ... let's see 4 effective launchers combined with neut/nos and 5 drones. Yeah not op at all on frigate.
Not only THAT, combined with strong tank (4% res bonus) along with drone hp bonus for 15 small buggers sure is nothing over top.

Drone bay cannot be bigger than 50m3 ... it's more than enough. You asking for bigger bay than algos(destroyer). Seems a bit ********. Leave rocket/missile bonus as it is just replace utility high with another launcher and here you have legit rocket damage without making it 4 launchers (like 100% damage bonus). Huge buffs but not crazy as some people suggest.
Also repace bonus to m3 of drones with hp/tracking as Veldaran said and this ship will be terror. But stop with this 50m3 band etc madness ...
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#45 - 2013-06-30 22:13:12 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Veldaran wrote:
The problem seems to be that every other faction frigate's special doubles weapon damage (or better) to free up slots for "whatever." The Worm doesn't have a damage boost at all! 50% missile velocity seems out of place with a 30km base targeting range.

I suggest the following alongside adjustments to PG/CPU:

Special Ability: 100% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile damage

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 4% shield resistance per level (Merlin)
Gallenty Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Drone tracking and hitpoints (Tristan)

Drones: 75m3 - 25Mb/s

This makes the choice between Rockets (brawler) and Light Missiles (kiting) more meaningful, beefs up drones and brings the Worm in line with other faction frigates and the Guristas Cruiser/BS.


This is also over top. Guys ship need buffs. But what you are suggesting is full ****** mode so far...
For example this suggestion ... let's see 4 effective launchers combined with neut/nos and 5 drones. Yeah not op at all on frigate.
Not only THAT, combined with strong tank (4% res bonus) along with drone hp bonus for 15 small buggers sure is nothing over top.

Drone bay cannot be bigger than 50m3 ... it's more than enough. You asking for bigger bay than algos(destroyer). Seems a bit ********. Leave rocket/missile bonus as it is just replace utility high with another launcher and here you have legit rocket damage without making it 4 launchers (like 100% damage bonus). Huge buffs but not crazy as some people suggest.
Also repace bonus to m3 of drones with hp/tracking as Veldaran said and this ship will be terror. But stop with this 50m3 band etc madness ...


You must be too blind to see that the dramiel and daredevil are still much better.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Saberlily Whyteshadow
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-07-01 01:44:40 UTC
+1
The Ishkur is already able to do the same and more already... If Im gonna pay more for it, it better perform.
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-07-01 02:55:49 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Whoever +1 OP , must be out of mind. Sure giving 50 bandwitch to frigate, when even drone destroyers are not close to this number, seems legit. Totally ******** idea. Sure ship needs some buffs. But this ridiculous.

You realize the Ishkur could field 5 mediums back in the day, right?
Longe Uta
Meta Zero
Meta Reloaded
#48 - 2013-07-30 07:03:36 UTC
It's a great idea, but soon after you'll have full fleets of fast mobile drone damage.

"Follow me to the Milky Way."
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-07-30 09:25:55 UTC
Just for s***s and giggles how about:
Drone bay: 25m3->50m3
Role bonus: 100% increase in missile/rocket damage.
Caldari bonus: 5%/level increase in drone and shipboard ECM strength.
Gallente bonus: 5%/level increase in drone MWD speed and HP.

Color me weird, but given that pirate factions do use EW I'd actually like to see that reflected in at least some of their ships that we can fly.
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