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Low SP fit for L4 storyline missions
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Mercurius Steele
Citadel Mercantile Exchange
#1 - 2013-06-30 10:26:06 UTC
I'm a bit of a combat noob. I've been spamming L4 courier missions for access to R&D agents, and I figure I ought to at least be capable of running the L4 combat storylines that I get all the time.

I've been playing around in EFT and I have a few ideas, but I figure I could probably use a few pointers around where to start. Not looking for full fits (although I'd appreciate them!), just some ideas of what to play around with.

I gather the Meta4 guns/T2 tank drake I'm ineffectually using in L3s doesn't really cut it in L4s anymore. What are my options for a low-SP fit capable of running L4 storylines?


  • Not too worried about budget (within reason! e.g. no officer mods ^^).
  • Not bothered about blitzing. Obviously I'd like to break the tank on BS rats before the world ends, but if it takes me five times as long as it should that's no problem.
  • Bonus points for low-effort (fancy AFK drone fits etc)


Thanks for your time!
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-06-30 10:35:53 UTC
What are your skills like? What race? What is your best weapon skill/weapon support skills? What Battleship skills do you have and what level?
Mercurius Steele
Citadel Mercantile Exchange
#3 - 2013-06-30 11:16:45 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
What are your skills like? What race? What is your best weapon skill/weapon support skills? What Battleship skills do you have and what level?


I don't mind which race of ship. I can fit and fly the Meta4 missiles/T2 tank drake, but not very well. It's probably more productive to not consider my existing skills at all!

But, since you ask:-


  • Core Competency Standard minus the targetting skills
  • Turret control basic (about 50k sp)
  • Missile control basic (about 150k sp)
  • Drone control standard
  • No battleship skills
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-30 11:51:39 UTC
[Drake, HAM Drake]
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Warrior II x5


the problem is range that's why i have AB there, with my skills it's stable AB turned off. i'm not really sure if you can handle that storyline thing with this setup, but for a normal L4 you can do it but still not really effective.

that tank is for angel cartel, you can change it according to your enemy

but if you want to train to a BS i would suggest

[Typhoon, Typhoon 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I


Warrior II x5
Bouncer I x4

sorry i prefer passive tanking, you can change to active if you want i'm just lazy to do that
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2013-07-01 02:01:52 UTC
with low skills I'd probably go with a raven or domi and a micro jump drive. that said a drake will probably be able to do nearly all the storylines, but a mjd ship can probably do more damage and gtfo if things go wrong. damage application might be a little funny vs the drake, but the raven should kill battleships faster.

not completely sure as to which would be less skills, but both can probably get it done with pretty minimal investment.

the domi mostly just mjds and deploys sentries, have some guns to aggro new/other groups. pretty simile to fly.

[Dominix, mjd garde dual]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Caldari Navy Warden x5
Federation Navy Garde x5


this raven setup is pretty much the same as any standard raven pre odyssey, it just can also fit a MJD, probably fit a tractor beam in that last highslot for mission loot cans. The target painter isn't really useful at MJD range, but might be useful if some of the npc cruisers make it closer to you, or if you can just start brawling and don't need to MJD.

[Raven, low skill mjd]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Micro Jump Drive

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Mercurius Steele
Citadel Mercantile Exchange
#6 - 2013-07-02 08:27:22 UTC
Do rats tend to use disruptors rather than scramblers leaving your MJD functional? If so, that seems like a rather good idea for a noob ship.

You guys reckon the Drake "will do"? In that case I'll give it a go and see how I do.

Thanks!
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-02 09:49:54 UTC
you can use the HAM drake and have hard time to finish the storyline mission, but you just need "can" do mission right?
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-07-02 10:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
MJD Domi get's my vote.

Not only is it ridiculously effective, it is (and I mean no disrespect to you when I say this) basically level 4's with training wheels. If that dies...hell, I cannot see a realistic situation where that might happen.

Cheap as hell too.

Once the confidence builds, you can explore other options. But in terms of bang for buck/safety/low SP, you will be hard pressed to top a MJD sentry domi.
ImmutableDark
Absalom.
#9 - 2013-07-02 11:09:14 UTC
Yeah I'm going to go out on a limb and say navy scorpion if budget is not a concern. I know a lot of the things I say are crass and not backed up by any logic. I'm in constant need of the "FRIEND WHO AGREES WITH ME". Navy Scorpion High dps high resists> good tank. Got one. Love it.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-07-02 13:27:53 UTC
Mercurius Steele wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
What are your skills like? What race? What is your best weapon skill/weapon support skills? What Battleship skills do you have and what level?


I don't mind which race of ship. I can fit and fly the Meta4 missiles/T2 tank drake, but not very well. It's probably more productive to not consider my existing skills at all!

But, since you ask:-


  • Core Competency Standard minus the targetting skills
  • Turret control basic (about 50k sp)
  • Missile control basic (about 150k sp)
  • Drone control standard
  • No battleship skills


My advice would be to join a corporation that does mission fleets and run with them. Doing them solo will take you ages with poor missile skills.

If you're trying to make ISK and LP you will make far more doing level 3 missions since you can do them way faster.

If you want a challenge, don't really like playing with other players and don't care about your ISK/ LP per hour gains by all means go for it. I don't think low skills and battleships go together but if you can afford a few PLEX for funding just in case you go pop it might be fun.

Did anyone answer the question about rats warp scrambling your MJD? I always wanted to try a MJD but never got around to. Frigate rats are going to be your biggest concern in level 4's. I would reccomend traing for T2 light drones and Drone Interfacing to at least 4 since the elite frigates can be tough to kill.
Mercurius Steele
Citadel Mercantile Exchange
#11 - 2013-07-02 20:46:46 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
... level 4's with training wheels ...


I'm pretty much sold. Big smile

Roseline Penshar wrote:
you can use the HAM drake and have hard time to finish the storyline mission, but you just need "can" do mission right?


Pretty much. It'll take me about a month to fit the Domi, so I'll give it a go in the meantime.

Thanks guys!
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-02 21:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Here's the kind of fit I'm usiing, dirt cheap and (it shames me to say it) for cost, the effectiveness is *ridiculous*.

Only "problem" I have with it is slowboating.

[Dominix, ML - Assist]

4x Drone Link Augmentor II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Auto Targeting System I

3x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Micro Jump Drive
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines (Targeting Range Script)

4x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

5x Garde II
5x Warden II
5x Bouncer II



Sentries to taste, the remote repairer is on the off chance the sentries get aggro. I actually use this fit as an assister on a dual box setup - hence the lack of guns. Adjust to taste.

It really does just melt stuff though, just watch your MJD cooldown and if alone, take a flight (or two, if new) or lights with you.