EVE General Discussion

Never not post when you have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess the propaganda is working though.

You've been caught. Finally we get to the point where all of this "everyone should be nice" populist nonsense comes from. You got burned in EQ2. So you went to WoW, where you've done your best to fight for "access". Cute.

You are a pubbie. You are a freaking casual who thinks that somehow your $15 a month entitles you to get everything that the players who are actually good at the game and try hard get. You think that you get to have your ego stroked by the devs, and that you get to play on the same level as people who actually are successful at the game.

You're wrong.

And in the end, you are just another "have-not", hating on the "haves".

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Oh, and if you are offended by "waffe", then you are out and out a racist. It means "weapon". Your ignorance is what's really offensive here.

For starters Ace, seriously, enough with the WoW shtick. We get it. You ******* love World of Warcraft. We don't. Hence why we play a game that requires a brain instead. For the love of God, please stop shitting up every thread in GD with that nonsense. Thanks.

That being said, I like the Goons as an entity. Sure they have members who are d***bags, what alliance doesnt. As a group though, they do the evil empire thing very well and bring bucketloads of real, player made content to all parts of Eve. For the most part they are some of the classier posters on Eve-O, which makes it a little easier on my brain when perusing the forums at lunch.

I'd take the conversation of a goon any day of the week over that of a hi-sec miner/whiner or TESTicle.

To be fair, high sec mission running and mining require almost zero thought

Brings new perspective to :

Go back to World of Warcraft.


GB2wow

Indeed. He should go back and join the biggest guild on Mal'Ganis........

This again.

Whenever I see another 'why do folk hate the goons' thread like this, I tend to assume it is started by a goon alt seeking yet more attention for the goons.

Sad really.

I don't actually hate goons, but I hate hate hate HATE the name. Why does one of the most long standing and powerful alliances in the game have such a goofy sounding name? I can't help but think of the old fat lipped stupid mobsters in old bus bunny cartoons when I hear the name "goons". I wish they had a more serious name, something ominous....like The Mittani Cartel....yeah....that sounds passable.

There are things I genuinely dislike, and admittedly some of my misgivings are biased, and even based on assumptions and hearsay. Mittani himself gets a strike just for being a lawyer, and another just because I vaguely remember hearing that he was a jerk at fanfest a long time ago.

I once genuinely "hated" goons for how they managed to take down BoB. When I first started playing, BoB was the big alliance, and I was awed and impressed, I respected them and felt they did no wrong. So when one of the goons got ahold of one of the executor accounts (paid the guy off or actually bought the account, I don't really remember how the story goes), I felt that was one of the dirtiest things, and I instantly lost respect for them. I was even maliciously excited when I heard they suffered the same fate the following year, and I thought, "Serves them right" "payback is a female dog", etc etc.

Well, I was doing research one day, and come to find out BoB was quite dirty, even working with CCP devs who were in alliance to screw an old powerhouse alliance named Ascendant Frontier. So I have to take that into account and maybe give goons a few white knight point for taking down BoB.

But then there was the whole 4x4'ing through the sandbox thing. To me, that's just pure arrogance that flies in the face of CCP. Then there was Starfleet Dental over on STO and the brief stint in Black Prophecy. While I don't know any specifics or if there's even much truth to it, all these little things I've heard about just make me feel like GSF whole intent is to try to break games, find any and all exploits and see how much they can get away with. I think this is why I wouldn't be surprised if the alleged jabber and teamspeak DDoS attacks are actually true, and honestly I've thought some of the server crashes were heavily favored toward CFC...I doubt they have a thing to do with it but a part of me wonders.

However, I don't know anyone from GSF personally so aside from the mental image of the alliacne I have in my head I don't really have a reason to hate anyone. We all enjoy this game, why don't we learn to love one another and kill each other peacefully?

No much, clearly. Mission Accomplished.

Eve online is a dynamic game in which success is measured by personal ambitions and goals. I think Goons are for the most part the player controlled resistance to other players success. Their virtual monopoly on certain key markets in the game, their abilty to bring large numbers to the field and win any fight they set out to win and their abuse of the plex that allows real world money to buy them success are all mostly bad for the health of the game. Problem is with large blocks like this fighting is that one replacingthe other doesnt really solve those problems. Eve would be a much better game if these blocks didnt exist and null was ruled by lots of smaller alliances. I dont see that happening anytime son and as such you just have to accept that there will always be large blocks in control of large sectors of the game. The best case scenario and the best thing for the health of the game are large block wars. Hopefully they are long , expnsive and demanding on these alliances. The longer they last the better it is for everyone else.