Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you mean train industrial III for all four races? come on, that would take like one day or so....

edit: also, just to make sure it gets through: beware of power creep. think about what would be better for EVE: making hauling easier or harder. then balance accordingly.

This would be fitting in a freigther or orca balance, or even more in a JF balance.
But it's not that relevant for T1 industrials, since they're more oriented towards small and non-game changing operations.
Even if you add 50% cargo to T1 indus, serious hauling will still be done in orca/freighter/JF. And nerfing them would only make life harder for new players.
But I agree thinking like that is a good thing in general, and could come in handy for the balance of more powerful hauling ships.

Remember, this is a ship rebalance, not a global hauling balance process, though! I don't think Rise has the power to choose if hauling should be easier or harder. I believe the best line of action is to split the hauling balance away from the ship rebalance, have the ships be balanced around what is possible currently (current ittyV as a max cargo for example), then maybe have a reflexion about hauling as a whole later, outside of ship rebalance.

The very fact that an industrial command ship is used as a hauler instead of high volume T1 or even T2 industrial ships is a big problem. I don't mind having Orca be a sort of "mobile base" that people are sometimes using it for, but it definitely shouldn't be a stepping stone between T1 industrials and freighters, especially since it has a completely separate skillset. To make a comparison, it would be as if people would be using battleships to mine more effectively than with Retrievers / Covetors.

If you want to keep the 'most used' versions of the Iteron line, you keep the Iteron III and V. The Itty IV is, even now, an atrocious ship. At max skill, it gets 20,687m3 - about 1,400m3 over the III - if you put full expanders and cargo rigs in. Then you get the Iteron V, which right now at Gallente Industrial I starts off (same full-expander/T1 rig build) at 33,000m3.

Before the Odyssey changes, Gallente haulers at low skill had a reason to use the Iteron III - it was big enough, and you didn't have to do the 'long' skill trainings for IV and V. Now? There's only 1 Iteron worth using. If the changes coming help to change this somehow, awesome. But I'm willing to bet 90% of hi-sec haulers are going to stick with 'what gives me the most space?' and just rely on never ever autopiloting around to keep them alive.

It doesn't matter what kind of tank you put onto it, in the long run - anyone in hi-sec who's using autopilot is asking to get webbed down to the point of not making the gate, and alpha'd by tornados. If you're not using autopilot, you'll live. Tackling on the in-gate is already more trouble than it's worth, and all you need to prevent it is a web-buddy in fleet with you.

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I'm not certain that using T2 ships for a fairly reasonable role is the right option. I think a new branch of ships should be introduced that fits the mid-range. How about 'Tankers' that require Spaceship Command IV and Industrial III.

The Transport Ship definitely need to be fixed up but taking on an entire new role that could be better served by a new class of ship doesn't seem to fit.

The Blockade Runners use covert ops stuff and align quickly. How about giving the DST a decent tank, +2 WCS, and interdiction nullification? Make them all Blockade Runners, but they use different approaches to it.

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Beware the power creep.

Maybe someone already proposed this: but anyway

To minimize the unequalities, just give Caldari and Amarr at least 1 extra industrial...

For caldari this is extremely easy... Reskin the bustard and make it Badger III (as it originally was intended to)

For amarr it is a little more tricky...perhaps adding some container like structures under the Sigil's belly, and reskin and call it Sigil Mk II Other names: Emblem, Chevron, Insignia ..(just sayin)

Some other ideas : Give Non-Gallente races a frigate-sized industrial, as easy as to attach giant secure container horizontally to a rookie ship



So we get:


: Iteron mk I = Cheap and flimsy throwaway industrial, no special ability
: Iteron mk II = agile and tanky
: Iteron Mk III = Special Ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold)
: Iteron Mk IV = Fast subwarp and Fast warp (6 AU), but VERY reduced cargohold (Itty IV model is too small for its cargo hold!)
: Iteron Mk V = Big Cargo

: Reaper Indy
: Wreathe = agile and tanky
: Hoarder = Special Ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold)
: Mammoth = Big Cargo

: Ibis Indy
: Badger I = agile and tanky
: Badger II = special ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold)
: Badger III (reskinned bustard) = Big Cargo

: Imparior Indy (example) http://imageshack.us/a/img547/7484/a6eu.jpg
: Sigil = agile and tanky
: Sigil Mk II = (reskinned sigil) special ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold)
: Bestower = Big Cargo

Is all right for the bestower to have the biggest hold, cause it looks bigger than the Itty V.. ( I'm one of the guys that trained gallente industrial 5)


Well, there's some crazy Ideas, hope it helps...

Keep the good work!

I think i would like to see the T1 Indy ships be purpose built. PI, Ore , and avg size bay leading to the T2 s being Cov Ops, version and Tanky with some kind of point defense ability. Leading to a T3 Modular version of them where you can add hangar bays and such.
I like the idea of the subsystems and i think they should carry it in to all ship classes 1 basic hull with variations on fits/models.