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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-06-24 00:26:13 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Tumahub wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
That feel when you plan on staying in Asia after you graduate so you can experience economic growth and freedoms.


Hong Kong starting to look damn nice.

I was thinking more Singapore, Hong Kong speaks a Cantonese... though it was part of the UK till 1997.


Two distinct, but good choices.
Reiisha
#22 - 2013-06-24 06:02:45 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
As revealed now, the USA weren't the only ones spying on everyone.
GB, Canada, Australia and New Zealand also do the same.

But the most ridiculous thing is: the names.

"Mastering the Internet"
"Global Telecoms Exploitation"

This is what they were calling their programs.

And the oh-so-awesome name of their group:

"Five Eyes Electronic Eavesdropping Alliance"

Seriously?

Couldn't they find something more comic-book villain sounding monikers?

I mean their alliance sounds like the mentally challenged brother of S.P.E.C.T.R.E. whom they try not to mention because of the embarassment he causes for his evil conspiracy family.




The reality is far more frightening.

Those people truly believe they know what's best for you and will stop at nothing to force it on you. They really think they have good intentions.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#23 - 2013-06-24 10:25:43 UTC
Ministry of Truth campaign "If You See Something, Say Something"

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#24 - 2013-06-24 14:27:12 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
As revealed now, the USA weren't the only ones spying on everyone.
GB, Canada, Australia and New Zealand also do the same.

But the most ridiculous thing is: the names.

"Mastering the Internet"
"Global Telecoms Exploitation"

This is what they were calling their programs.

And the oh-so-awesome name of their group:

"Five Eyes Electronic Eavesdropping Alliance"

Seriously?

Couldn't they find something more comic-book villain sounding monikers?

I mean their alliance sounds like the mentally challenged brother of S.P.E.C.T.R.E. whom they try not to mention because of the embarassment he causes for his evil conspiracy family.




The reality is far more frightening.

Those people truly believe they know what's best for you and will stop at nothing to force it on you. They really think they have good intentions.



bit like nu labour then ? ....and they are left wing .. wacky Jackie ...prescot ...and others I can be arsed to mention
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#25 - 2013-06-24 14:32:54 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Why governments get away with that sh!t!

Now go and get your new XBox to play that amazing new copy of CoD.
You know you want to and Microsoft has already backpedalled, so there is nothing to fear, right?

Great link there. Huxley had it right. No need to control the population-- get let them addict themselves with consumerism and devolve their minds and sensibilities. I don't think government did that though. It just naturally arose when Adam Smith's "invisible hand" of market/capitalist forces got access to instanteous mass media communication.
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-06-24 16:56:13 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
It just naturally arose when Adam Smith's "invisible hand" of market/capitalist forces got access to instanteous mass media communication.


Yep, capitalism is definitely responsible for the authoritarian over-reach of governments who are diametrically opposed to free trade and voluntary interaction of free individuals. Roll
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#27 - 2013-06-27 15:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Interesting, "icelandic" spin in the current comic-book villain adventure.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-06-27 17:09:11 UTC
Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:
Interesting, "icelandic" spin in the current comic-book villain adventure.


Not really shocking TBQH. I've read enough interviews with JA to assume he is aware that wiki is constantly monitored/infiltrated. He also makes no secret of the fact that he redacts information himself when he releases anything. I would not be surprised to find out he was coerced into seriously filtering or editing wiki himself. His latest meet-up with Google was quite interesting if you can find it.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#29 - 2013-06-27 17:32:01 UTC
Meanwhile, In the Hall of Doom....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#30 - 2013-06-27 18:37:26 UTC
To be fair JA is viewing himself as a journalist with journalistic responsibilities, these include redactions of things that serve no purpose if released other than hurting innocent victims.

On the one hand I expect privacy, and on the other I expect a security system that functions. There is a balance to be found, and even if it is found in my mind it needs accountability and due process.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-06-27 19:00:40 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
To be fair JA is viewing himself as a journalist with journalistic responsibilities, these include redactions of things that serve no purpose if released other than hurting innocent victims.


I would have to assume he edited things even if he didn't say as much. He may view himself as a journalist, but in the specific context of his work, I don't think that's entirely accurate. There's no transparency.

That's probably being overly critical, given his situation, but I don't like to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. Blink

Kirjava wrote:

On the one hand I expect privacy, and on the other I expect a security system that functions. There is a balance to be found, and even if it is found in my mind it needs accountability and due process.


That's the rub here. There's not a lot of either privacy or security and accountability begins and ends with the people who have compromised most privacy and security. Ultimately there's nowhere for the internet to go except less secure and even more accountable to the states that regulate it.
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#32 - 2013-06-28 17:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks
"US army blocks access to Guardian website to preserve 'network hygiene'"
I like the phrase "network hygiene" It sounds so clean and pure. True Caldari style..or is it more Amarr ? :-D

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-06-28 17:31:18 UTC
Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:
True Caldari style..or is it more Amarr ? :-D


Definitely a combination of the two. It's an empire with strong central authority that is raised to the level of religion, but the corporate influence is mingled with a political class that includes long family lines in public office.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#34 - 2013-06-29 05:25:33 UTC
Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:
"US army blocks access to Guardian website to preserve 'network hygiene'"
I like the phrase "network hygiene" It sounds so clean and pure. True Caldari style..or is it more Amarr ? :-D



Also blocks townhall.com. Speaking from experience, army blocks a lot of stupid stuff. I am a computer guy I had to go to a computer website and it said it was blocked because it was informational.


Anyways, all the soap boxing on evil governments, YOU elected them. Whether you voted or didn't vote, that's your fault. HTFU.

Also, bigger the government the smaller the citizen, IE. you have less rights cause your benevolent leaders know what's best for you.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-06-29 05:51:19 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:

Anyways, all the soap boxing on evil governments, YOU elected them. Whether you voted or didn't vote, that's your fault. HTFU.


That's completely illogical. If one does not vote, or votes for the candidate that lost, they did not elect the current regime. Furthermore the vast majority of the government is not even elected at all. They are mostly appointees. The difference between the last two admins was almost nil and yet people still claim that voting in another person changes the government. It's a comically bad argument.

Kult Altol wrote:

Also, bigger the government the smaller the citizen, IE. you have less rights cause your benevolent leaders know what's best for you.


Quite true, but government only grows. It grows under liberals and it grows under conservatives. There are no benevolent leaders, but they all certainly think they know what's best.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#36 - 2013-06-29 11:31:45 UTC
Conservatism is just a speed bump in liberalism way. And large govt expansion is typically done under new style liberals. Unfortunality democrates have been hijacked by liberals.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-06-29 16:16:28 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
Conservatism is just a speed bump in liberalism way. And large govt expansion is typically done under new style liberals. Unfortunality democrates have been hijacked by liberals.


Conservatives have never actually proven themselves an effective speed bump though. Gov't grew under Regan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. just like it had grown under Nixon, Eisenhower, and every other president before them.

The liberals are certainly the most vocal proponents of big government, but to say they highjacked anyone or led the republicans by the nose is laughable. They've gone along with every single expansion of federal authority and only pretend to balk at that kind of thing when a dem is in power.
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#38 - 2013-06-29 19:25:47 UTC
Pretty good summary about the perception of the whole matter in Germany

"In Germany, whenever the government begins to infringe on individual freedom, society stands up. Given our history, we Germans are not willing to trade in our liberty for potentially better security. Germans have experienced firsthand what happens when the government knows too much about someone. In the past 80 years, Germans have felt the betrayal of neighbors who informed for the Gestapo and the fear that best friends might be potential informants for the Stasi. Homes were tapped. Millions were monitored. "

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#39 - 2013-06-29 20:52:11 UTC
Hope Germany has the balls to follow through.

Denmark, UK, Spain Germany and Italy all gave over the data.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-06-29 21:02:12 UTC
I can't speak for any German personally, but I think your problem with the EU and authoritarian socialism is roughly the same as what's going on with our federal government.
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