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Optimal Scanning Cov Ops Frigate

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Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#1 - 2013-06-27 00:57:44 UTC
Hey all, I was wondering if anyone had any input on my fitting to improve its ability at scan probing.
This fit is aiming to optimal within the boundries of my skills. I cannot use T2 midslot Scan modules or T2 Probe launcher, but my skills are Astrometics 4 an all support to 3.

[Anathema, PvE - Scanner]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

NEW Scan Acquisition Array I
NEW Scan Pinpointing Array I
NEW Scan Rangefinding Array I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

The known improvements I can see are T2'ing the mid slot Scan modules. To my knowledge there are no low slot powered modules that improved scanning, some clarification on this would be nice.

Cheers
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-06-27 01:03:51 UTC
Is this for combat scanning or just looking for sites?

Also, update EFT.
Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#3 - 2013-06-27 08:18:52 UTC
It's close...

- Grav rigs, yes
- Sister launcher, yes. Though Expanded is only for loading Combat probes to hunt down players. If you're only looking for Exploration sites, the Sister Core is fine.
- Sister probes, yes
- New arrays, sort of. Acquisition only boosts scan time, which really isn't a problem unless you're doing combat scanning to find a target in a hurry. Pinpointing reduces deviation, but once you get your Scan Strength high enough that isn't really a problem. So the only array you really should bother with is Rangefinding, to boost Scan Strength.
- 1mn MWD, I disagree with. Only because the new scatter crap sends all the loot slowly drifting away. And if you're using the MWD to chase it, you'll overshoot every time. An AB helps you chase down that one pesky Can, but without flying so far and so fast away from the others.

[Anathema, Exploration]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

1MN Afterburner II
Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

Lows to taste, since there isn't much you can do with them. Expanders to hold more loot?
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2013-06-27 08:51:07 UTC
Here's a good thread recently with some discussion on the covops frigs: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=250221

My opinion is that they are all very close to each other in terms of performance, your ship choice and fit depends on what you value most.
Meridius Dex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-06-27 13:16:56 UTC
I just came back to the game after a two year layoff and decided I'd like to give exploration a try, if I decided to resub after my five free days. I have been flying this to see what the new exploration is all about:

[Anathema, Exploration]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Microwarpdrive II
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Salvager II

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

Marcus Gideon wrote:


- New arrays, sort of. Acquisition only boosts scan time, which really isn't a problem unless you're doing combat scanning to find a target in a hurry. Pinpointing reduces deviation, but once you get your Scan Strength high enough that isn't really a problem. So the only array you really should bother with is Rangefinding, to boost Scan Strength.


After crunching the numbers, I came to this conclusion, as well.

Marcus Gideon wrote:

- 1mn MWD, I disagree with. Only because the new scatter crap sends all the loot slowly drifting away. And if you're using the MWD to chase it, you'll overshoot every time. An AB helps you chase down that one pesky Can, but without flying so far and so fast away from the others.


I hadn't thought of this but then I did miss many of the cans from the sites I did crack and this may have been why. Good thinking.

The MWD on my fit was a holdover from previously when I'd used the cov ops ship only for scouting in nullsec, where the MWD/cloak got me safely past bubbles. The OD/Nano/Nano was also a holdover from those old days for the acceleration and agility benefits.

And with all the extra CPU the T2 Salvager in the high slot was a nobrainer for the ninja salvaging opportunities.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#6 - 2013-06-27 13:51:01 UTC
Varrinox wrote:
Hey all, I was wondering if anyone had any input on my fitting to improve its ability at scan probing.


Since you do not have any analyzers in your fit and use Expanded Probe launcher, I believe you are trying to scan for ships, not for signatures. In that case it really does not matter what to put in low slots and 4 middle slots of Anathema is enough, since you would get nasty penalty for using two rangefinding arrays. But if I am wrong and you plan top scan signatures, then your "Optimal Scanning Cov Ops Frigate" is ... a Helios. It gives you one more middle slot and is much faster.

[Helios, Helios]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

Salvage Drone
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#7 - 2013-06-27 13:54:15 UTC
Not ship related, but don't forget the implants. There are some nice implants that cam improve probe strength.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#8 - 2013-06-27 13:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
Varrinox wrote:
Hey all, I was wondering if anyone had any input on my fitting to improve its ability at scan probing.
This fit is aiming to optimal within the boundries of my skills. I cannot use T2 midslot Scan modules or T2 Probe launcher, but my skills are Astrometics 4 an all support to 3.

[Anathema, PvE - Scanner]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Cheers


I'm assuming since you called it a "PVE" scanner that you're setting it up for running data and relic sites.... right?

For that purpose your optimal fit will look something like this:

[Anathema, Exploration]
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Scan Rangefinding Array II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Cargo Scanner I
Data Analyzer II

Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Emission Scope Sharpener I
Small Emission Scope Sharpener I

reasons:

1) you will need a data or relic scanner
2) a cargo scanner will help you pick up the right cans
3) the mwd is a must, imo for both getting around in null sec and for moving around in the anoms
4) you don't need an expanded probe launcher for exploration, the core one will do
5) if you hve to choose one of the new scanning modules then pick the range one. On a buzzard you have an extra mid slot so you should put the deviation one on there
6) Expanded cargo holds because ... well.... you don't want to leave stuff behind
7) warp core stab because one way or the other you'll end up sitting still uncloaked in anomoiles for long periods of time. this is your insurance policy.
8) The rigs give your ship better chances at hacking.

For PVP (looking for ships) you need a different fitting.

[Anathema, PVP]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Overdrive Injector System II

Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Scan Pinpointing Array II
Scan Rangefinding Array II

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Salvager I

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

reasons:
1) you need an expanded probe launcher
2) the mwd, nanofiber and overdrive are your ticket to getting out of most bubbles
3) the scan modules and gravity capacitors are for improved scanning efficiency
4) the salvager isn't necessary but can be nice
5) the point isn't necessary but can be nice
Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#9 - 2013-06-27 16:37:19 UTC
I hate how you all assume I want to crack any sites with this fit itself, I never mentioned it and kept saying optimal for scanning, not running sites. Thank you to those who gave some feedback, looks like I forgot abou implants.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2013-06-27 16:51:13 UTC
Varrinox wrote:
I hate how you all assume I want to crack any sites with this fit itself, I never mentioned it and kept saying optimal for scanning, not running sites. Thank you to those who gave some feedback, looks like I forgot abou implants.


Huh. If you're doing prof site scanning there's no reason you wouldn't want to hack the sites in the covops you use to find them. You even get a bonus to doing so.

Of course, all bets are off if you're doing combat scanning or looking for combat sites for another ship. Those are other fits with other purposes, of course. Which is why I asked my question way up at the top....
Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#11 - 2013-06-27 20:10:23 UTC
The reason I don't care about running the sites is this fit is purely for diving through wormhole space as fast as possible, I only scan combat/data/relic sites to 25% when they are identifies, then abandon them. This lets me scan full systems averaging about 1min per sig.

So things I will take from this, Implants for scanning, I completely forgot about those.
Mid Slots - Possibly best to stack scan strength, but is DR so bad that 1 of each are best?
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#12 - 2013-06-27 22:53:05 UTC
Marcus Gideon wrote:
It's close...

- Grav rigs, yes
- Sister launcher, yes. Though Expanded is only for loading Combat probes to hunt down players. If you're only looking for Exploration sites, the Sister Core is fine.
- Sister probes, yes
- New arrays, sort of. Acquisition only boosts scan time, which really isn't a problem unless you're doing combat scanning to find a target in a hurry. Pinpointing reduces deviation, but once you get your Scan Strength high enough that isn't really a problem. So the only array you really should bother with is Rangefinding, to boost Scan Strength.


He's got 2 grav rigs already, so if he fits a scan strength array that'll go into about -47% stacking penalty. That's why I opted for a scan deviation array on my T2 covert ops frig, so that I can enjoy the full benefit of it along with my 2 scan strength rigs.

I agree about scan time, that's a really odd statistic to be able to get a bonus to. I have the vague and very indirect impresion that many, many, many years ago, probe scanning used to be a lot slower, with each scan cycle taking something like a minute and a half, and so under those circumstances it was valuable to be able to reduce scan time. But then - again, thisis my impression, I wasn't scanning myself until after any such change - CCP went and sped up probe scanning, and ended up making the time factor irrelevant.