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Kill bords, love em or hate em?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#21 - 2013-06-27 00:42:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Not only are they the only way to show that something died but we also get golden moments such as Emo TJ's Dramiel incident




OMG I remember that. Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#22 - 2013-06-27 01:12:20 UTC
Killboards are a pretty integral part of EVE. Honestly don't know why there isn't an official CCP one.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-06-27 01:24:28 UTC
I don't like KBs, mainly because some people just turn it into a race to get the most kills and they don't care how they do it. But maybe that's because I'm the type of person that doesn't feel they have to prove themselves to anyone.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2013-06-27 05:46:31 UTC
We have the crappiest killboard in the world. Not only does it not pull kills from anywhere, but it only seems to have information about our reimbursable ship losses.

It is the best killboard ever.

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Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-27 06:56:28 UTC
I love how much I hate them?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-06-27 06:59:24 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
Killboards are a pretty integral part of EVE. Honestly don't know why there isn't an official CCP one.

well, you have combat logs and you can see kills and losses on your corp. I don't think CCP needs to do anything else, since anything besides that is for gloating and chest-beating purposes, and it would probably make EVE a bit too much like COD or CS.

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Kaahles
Jion Keanturi
#27 - 2013-06-27 07:20:43 UTC
Not really playing much these days but when I do PvP I stopped posting my kills on those boards quite a while ago. If an corporation/alliance wants them what the hell let them grab those things via API. I don't give a ****.

Yeah sure way I posted some every now and again when it was some really cool kill with lots of shiny loot or a high comedy value but there is really no point anymore since I can just link the stuff in-game now when I feel like showing off.

Do I actively look at / search killboards? Sometimes when I need a new fit. It's a great way to get crazy ideas for new setups.

Overall I think they're an old idea that is overstaying it's welcome... or maybe it's just me getting old and bitter.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#28 - 2013-06-27 08:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Oops, double post. Please delete this one admins, sorry! Straight
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#29 - 2013-06-27 08:44:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Killboards are fine. I usually use them as teaching examples, for which they are excellent, but I do agree they take away a bit of mystery for the 3rd party that was not involved. They are also great to improve the fits of your less experienced friends by pointing out the typical fitting mistakes when you arent logged into the client.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#30 - 2013-06-27 09:40:47 UTC
The killboard used to be very important to me. Nowadays I hardly look at it anymore, except for the records of hostile pilots I meet, to gather intel about them.

I still like killmails... they are records of events. Sometimes I look at an old kill and still remember how the fight went. Sadly, most killmails do not tell the real story if you don't already know what happened. For a game where pvp is so important as it is in EVE, the devs do way too little to make killmails meaningful and accurate. Here are some major things that need to be fixed:
-show involved Logistics and Carriers
-show active booster ships
-make damage numbers and involved pilots persistent over session changes (like system jumps)
-remember what ship a pilot was in even if he dies during the fight so that we don't see people doing top damage in a capsule on killmails
-clear the damage received number on a ship after a while so that we don't see 200k damage from rats on kills only because the guy had been ratting for an hour without session change before he was attacked and killed
-automatically correct kill reports so that e.g. a friendly pilot who only used a web on the victim is not shown. I'd say people who were in the same fleet as the victim should not be shown. This will mess up awoxing kills but fix almost all others, I'd take that trade.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-06-27 09:54:50 UTC
I don't like KB's.

But for some reason it is a must if you want to join a pvp corp or get hired as a merc to shoot at people.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-27 10:25:11 UTC
I like to be able to track my own record of ships ive used over certain months doing certain types of pvp.

I rarely use kill boards to judge others, however if somone is shooting their mouth off about being amazing i might check, but not to rub in their face.

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Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#33 - 2013-06-27 11:13:57 UTC
I dislike giving any of my information away to killboards. So generally I don't post up any of my kills. Unfortunately this means my killboard comprises of only losses and kills I was involved in. lol I don't really care though to be honest.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-27 11:16:04 UTC
I like killboards.

I don't like ADHD kids that worship said killboards.
Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-27 13:08:17 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
*boards
*reminisce
*having
*permanent
*efficiency
*knowledge
*losing
*wherever
*strategic
*in fact
*making
*skittish
*losing
*easily
*don't
*I'm
*somewhat
*don't
*I've
*barred
*prospective
*I'm
*curious

Man that was painful to read.



I am sorry about that, I usually use firefox so I have the spell check, but at work I'm stuck with IE so I have to reliy on my own intelimagence.
Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#36 - 2013-06-27 13:55:56 UTC
If Eve was truly immersive, there would be no detailed killboards.

The Eve universe is a big big place. It has 7500 systems.
It is filled with thousands of disparate groups, many that have zero interest in letting others know who, or what they are killing.

To suggest that there should be an organized over-arching group that tracks every kill is ridiculous, and not immersive.
Yes, Concord is an over-arching group that sees all in this game, but it in any real world analogy, Concord would not be releasing specific data on ship fits, and value of fits.

Space fighter pilots should have general reputations that are built over time, with no true verifiable method parsing fact from hyperbole.

Billy the Kid may know specifically how many people he killed, but he would be the only one who knows with absolute certainty, and he sure never knew how much his victim's weapons were worth to the penny.

And in large wars, even in today's age of instant information, do countries give out public details about precisely what a casualty was wearing and what equipment he had on him? As far as I know, in the chaos of war, even a soldier's immediate superiors would not have that knowledge.

If organized groups in Eve (for sake of argument the equivalent of armies) want to keep track of generalized kills and losses, no problem. They can keep track of the general value of a kill, but not detailed on what dropped, what was destroyed, and not how much to the penny it was worth. And if said organizations want to release generalized data to the public, fine. But there should be no way for the public to confirm the veracity of it, with something like an API key.

So API specific detail is ridiculous and non-immersive, and completely unrealistic, even within the confines of the Eve universe.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#37 - 2013-06-27 16:42:59 UTC
As a carebear, I like em. I don't know how pvpers would stroke their epeens with out it. PVP would die overnight w/o KB \/\/horing.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2013-06-27 16:46:32 UTC
Third option: never used with them; don't care.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-27 17:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Planck
Toriessian wrote:
KBs aren't much more than an activity monitor. Aside from that they're useless since everyone who shoots a ship is on the KM and that goes to their isk efficiency. It creates an ISK efficiency tracking situation where everyone who PVPs with any level of reasonable success has a good KB.


That is hilariously untrue

And to answer the OP. KB chasing CAN get out of hand. People whoring on expensive kills can be misleading about how much someone really contributed to something or what it means.

Isk efficiency is a common problem with those as getting on a few expensive kills makes it look like you know how to kill expensive **** and never die, when normally all the isk being destroyed is really facilitated by a few people (eve-kill problem). Similarly, BC has the problem of point whoring to inflate what is going to on. Nuetral logi, boosts, etc all inflate whats really going on.

However, kb's are, when viewed carefully, amazing metrics to judge a pilot/corp/alliance by in addition to be strong intel tools. Intel tools go both ways so those that ***** are just to lazy to use the intel. As far as a metric, people will most often paint themselves in the best light, but the tools are there for you to judge them by.

I f*cking love KB's

I has all the eve inactivity

Azriel Geist
Pure Victory
#40 - 2013-06-27 17:45:04 UTC
They're pretty ghetto patchworks of PHP... and useful for intel.

Beyond that, meh. Pretty neutral.
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