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What's the best T2 frigate in the game for solo pvp?
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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-15 00:27:43 UTC
Kitsune

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#22 - 2013-06-15 20:07:17 UTC
Screw the Kitsune. The Griffin can do the same for a much cheaper price. IMO, the 2 best Electronic Attack ships in the game are the Keres and the Sentinel. Keres for long point, and the Sentinel for neuts, TDs, and drones.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#23 - 2013-06-15 21:12:45 UTC
Close Range:

1) Hawk
2) Vengeance
3) Ishkur
4) Harpy
5) Enyo
6) Jaguar

Long range:

1) Harpy
2) Retribution
3) Enyo
4) Wolf
5) Jaguar


I tried the Light Missile-Hawk after the AF-changes but the others above are superior except for the Jaguar. Mind you, there is an Ancillary shield booster-Light Missile-Hawk that's annoying. I have also seen it done with A-type medium boosters with links and what not.

Anyway.

The ones I prefer above all the others is the Vengeance, Hawk or Harpy solo AND Wolf when flying with another Wolf.

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Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#24 - 2013-06-16 01:11:49 UTC
AFs are a poor choice for a solo ship (and I'm really fond of the Jag, the damn thing). They're significantly tankier and/or gankier than T1 frigs (and slower) and still tankier and more agile than most destroyers so really it's tough to get anything smaller than a cruiser to stick around for a duel. The best option would be to kite and deal with T1 frig gangs who see you as a juicy target but you'll squeeze better DPS out of a kiting dessie for less money so there's really no point spending more on a T2 frig for that role.
Feffri
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#25 - 2013-06-16 22:52:49 UTC
Honestly if you are solo imo, just fly kity condor or breacher with light missiles and td's. It's the i win button/fotm. They are fast enough that you can burst into plexes and mwd out of range before lock. Then just orbit and kill and never take any damage. if you are going for brawling then just use a destroyer it's cheaper and can go everywhere and do anything most af's can do.. outside of maybe hawk which can tank the damage from 5 ships. However in a hawk you will never get a solo fight unless someone is just bored or doesn't know what a hawk is. Also most destroyers are as fast or faster than af's. Pretty much most people if they are not in a kity condor or breacher they just fit 10mn afterburner to their thrasher with arties long point and web and almost no solo ship dessie or down can beat a 10mn ab arty thrasher..

Also don't forget your loki boost when you fly these ships as it makes it especially impossible for you to die.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#26 - 2013-06-17 02:14:57 UTC
Plato Forko wrote:
AFs are a poor choice for a solo ship (and I'm really fond of the Jag, the damn thing). They're significantly tankier and/or gankier than T1 frigs (and slower) and still tankier and more agile than most destroyers so really it's tough to get anything smaller than a cruiser to stick around for a duel. The best option would be to kite and deal with T1 frig gangs who see you as a juicy target but you'll squeeze better DPS out of a kiting dessie for less money so there's really no point spending more on a T2 frig for that role.


I make that argument to new pilots a lot. Most of what I do with an assault frigate can be done with a destroyer. However I do enjoy flying certain assault frigates.

However I am tired of losing assault frigates. For each one I lose I can fit 2 to 3 destroyers.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2013-06-17 07:27:00 UTC
Plato Forko wrote:
AFs are a poor choice for a solo ship (and I'm really fond of the Jag, the damn thing). They're significantly tankier and/or gankier than T1 frigs (and slower) and still tankier and more agile than most destroyers so really it's tough to get anything smaller than a cruiser to stick around for a duel. The best option would be to kite and deal with T1 frig gangs who see you as a juicy target but you'll squeeze better DPS out of a kiting dessie for less money so there's really no point spending more on a T2 frig for that role.


Yea i dont' really bother using AF's these days.. Everything runs from you basically.

Except double damp condors...

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Edah Puss
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-06-17 23:40:31 UTC
Franklin Wu wrote:
I can say that there's no BEST ship in the game.


Im sorry, but I just simply cannot allow this to go un-answered, as it is completely WRONG.

There IS a "best" ship in EvE:

The BEST ship in EvE is Friendship.

It is known.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#29 - 2013-06-18 00:09:12 UTC
Edah Puss wrote:
Franklin Wu wrote:
I can say that there's no BEST ship in the game.


Im sorry, but I just simply cannot allow this to go un-answered, as it is completely WRONG.

There IS a "best" ship in EvE:

The BEST ship in EvE is Friendship.

It is known.


Damn - the secret is out.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#30 - 2013-06-19 18:26:06 UTC
I like the ishkur.

They insure ok so I don't think they are that much more expensive than a destroyer given the number of guns you have to fit to a destroyer.

You should be able to have good chances against just about any other ship that can enter a small plex and you may be able to fight 2 or 3 t1 frigates - except the linked sensor boosted variety. But those are not really fightable in most fits anyway.

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#31 - 2013-06-20 20:32:47 UTC
1 vengeance.
2 everything else
3 if you want shields, hawk. or close harpy

you cannot loose in a vengeance against another assault ship in scram range, period.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#32 - 2013-06-20 21:39:14 UTC



I personally like the Enyo, the Jaguar, and the Taranis as my solo ships of choice.

or

Use a dessie.... Cheaper, potent, and capable.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2013-06-21 01:33:50 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
1 vengeance.
2 everything else
3 if you want shields, hawk. or close harpy

you cannot loose in a vengeance against another assault ship in scram range, period.


Anything is possible

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19835712

Vengeance is pretty good but everyone will know what you are all about. Tank and likely bait. I imagine they are fun ships if you can get a group of t1 frigtates who are willing to thow their firepower against your brick wall. notice the pods on this killmail:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17601513
It probably would have killed us if another 3rd party didn't jump in.


But you probably won't be able to keep tackle on anyone with a brain. Ishkur is more versatile.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#34 - 2013-06-26 01:46:26 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
1 vengeance.
2 everything else
3 if you want shields, hawk. or close harpy

you cannot loose in a vengeance against another assault ship in scram range, period.


Anything is possible

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19835712

Vengeance is pretty good but everyone will know what you are all about. Tank and likely bait. I imagine they are fun ships if you can get a group of t1 frigtates who are willing to thow their firepower against your brick wall. notice the pods on this killmail:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17601513
It probably would have killed us if another 3rd party didn't jump in.


But you probably won't be able to keep tackle on anyone with a brain. Ishkur is more versatile.


You killed a shitfit Vengeance - that doesn't really say anything. It doesn't have any more trouble keeping tackle on stuff any more than any other trimark'd and plated AF. Only true with the bad-but-all-too-common cap-boosted dual-rep fit.
zoee vanderburg
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-06-27 11:24:40 UTC
where in ur listings is the taranis - hase it disappeared? blasteranis was soo good :(
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#36 - 2013-06-27 14:17:47 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
1 vengeance.
2 everything else
3 if you want shields, hawk. or close harpy

you cannot loose in a vengeance against another assault ship in scram range, period.


Anything is possible

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19835712

Vengeance is pretty good but everyone will know what you are all about. Tank and likely bait. I imagine they are fun ships if you can get a group of t1 frigtates who are willing to thow their firepower against your brick wall. notice the pods on this killmail:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17601513
It probably would have killed us if another 3rd party didn't jump in.


But you probably won't be able to keep tackle on anyone with a brain. Ishkur is more versatile.


You killed a shitfit Vengeance - that doesn't really say anything. It doesn't have any more trouble keeping tackle on stuff any more than any other trimark'd and plated AF. Only true with the bad-but-all-too-common cap-boosted dual-rep fit.



It doesn't say much but it does show the statement "you cannot loose in a vengeance against another assault ship in scram range, period." is not entirely accurate. By loose I assume he meant lose.

Not sure about the gun instead of a nos but other than that I don't see whats so horrible abou the fit. Do you have a better one?

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#37 - 2013-06-27 15:17:18 UTC
Best T2 frig ship in game? The one backed up by Loki/Legion boosts.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-07-01 12:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Grab a Hawk. Sit in plex. Kill. I think most Hawks even eat Vengeances.
With the new navy cap booster 50s Hawks are even more deadly now.

Btw. I am wondering why the minnies are so happy?!
I mean amarrians broke them, went for a break, still didn´t come back completely, could go tier 2 but are too bored and wealthy from tier4 to do it and although 40% of amarr militia is still taking a break minnies even can´t manage Tier4^^
Really no clue why the minnies are happy.
Minmatar militia was maybe most powerfull or on equal with amarr in january/february and after inferno.
But actually it is almost on caldari and gallente level (although I have to admit caldari seem to recover a bit now because they were a complete mess).
Come on mice. Cat is sleeping ;)

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#39 - 2013-07-01 14:38:42 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

Btw. I am wondering why the minnies are so happy?!
I mean amarrians broke them, went for a break, still didn´t come back completely, could go tier 2 but are too bored and wealthy from tier4 to do it and although 40% of amarr militia is still taking a break minnies even can´t manage Tier4^^
Really no clue why the minnies are happy.
Minmatar militia was maybe most powerfull or on equal with amarr in january/february and after inferno.
But actually it is almost on caldari and gallente level (although I have to admit caldari seem to recover a bit now because they were a complete mess).
Come on mice. Cat is sleeping ;)


Minnies are happy because they don't really care about LP and tiers. They expulsed the storm of farmers just to find out that they seem also expulsed all worthwile Amarr war targets. So instead of sitting around and dying from boredom they go to Amarr and Caldari High Sec to kill them in their home worlds. This is a lot of fun.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-07-01 15:10:15 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

Btw. I am wondering why the minnies are so happy?!
I mean amarrians broke them, went for a break, still didn´t come back completely, could go tier 2 but are too bored and wealthy from tier4 to do it and although 40% of amarr militia is still taking a break minnies even can´t manage Tier4^^
Really no clue why the minnies are happy.
Minmatar militia was maybe most powerfull or on equal with amarr in january/february and after inferno.
But actually it is almost on caldari and gallente level (although I have to admit caldari seem to recover a bit now because they were a complete mess).
Come on mice. Cat is sleeping ;)


Minnies are happy because they don't really care about LP and tiers. They expulsed the storm of farmers just to find out that they seem also expulsed all worthwile Amarr war targets. So instead of sitting around and dying from boredom they go to Amarr and Caldari High Sec to kill them in their home worlds. This is a lot of fun.


?
You know that only the noobs and newbies of amarr mili go highsec?
This toon was maybe 2 or 3 times (and only travelling through) in high sec this year. All you get in highsec are noobkills.
And most amarr militia core members also can´t go highsec any more but that is another issue^^

On topic: I believe Hawk is better than Veng^^

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
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