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So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW - again?

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Khira Kitamatsu
#1 - 2013-06-27 02:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu
I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak! EvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvil

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2 - 2013-06-27 02:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
SOE epic arc, 7-8% boost to the faction of your choice for the penultimate mission.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-06-27 02:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
This thread is going places. And by going I mean straight to and by places I mean HELL.

EVE is not WoW. If you don't want to bomb your standings, don't bomb your standings. Learn what to do and do it, don't be irresponsible. That's the difference between EVE and every other game, YOU are responsible for you enjoyment.

It's why some people want EVe to be like other games, so they don't have to be bothered with thinking.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-06-27 02:36:18 UTC
All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?
Luis Graca
#5 - 2013-06-27 02:38:21 UTC
i can see you're an WOW player after all if you didn't want bad standings with gallente in the first place why did you shoot themQuestion
Khira Kitamatsu
#6 - 2013-06-27 02:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu
Jenn aSide wrote:
This threa ds going places. And by going I mean straight to and by places I mean HELL.

EVE is not WoW. If you don't want to bomb your standings, don't bomb your standings. Learn what to do and do it, don't be irresponsible. That's the difference between EVE and every other game, YOU are responsible for you enjoyment.

It's why some people want EVe to be like other games, so they don't have to be bothered with thinking.


Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...I had no ideal that this games racial factions actually mattered because I was always told that in high-sec you can go anywhere and the only thing you need to worry about is can flippers and the occasional wannabe ganker- because I was a miner. I didn't do anything to harm my rating.

Until just recently. I decided to join corp mates running missions.

BTW this has nothing to do with what you went on about....I am talking about fixing my rating. There should be a reasonable way to fix it. EVEN IN WOW - there is a way to fix your ratings that isn't masochistic.

Not in EVE!

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Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#7 - 2013-06-27 02:40:21 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?


Lots of people left before panda. Eve finally grappled it's hooks into me.

The only grinding in EVE is the skillque. Everything else is YOUR choice. Lack of imagination/knowledge isn't a valid reason.
C DeLeon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-06-27 02:41:38 UTC
The reason why eve is the furthest thing from wow is because when an eve character and a wow character jumps from the same spot the eve character ends up several lightyears away while a wow character ends up only on the top of a mailbox.
Khira Kitamatsu
#9 - 2013-06-27 02:42:34 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?


Sure...I can waste millions on buying tags - that is not the issue. The issue is I should have a reasonable alternative...not a sadistic, twisted, one....a reasonable one. That is not the case. You try and go collect the required tags needed for the Data Center missions and tell me it is reasonable.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2013-06-27 02:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
There should be a reasonable way to fix it.

There is, the answer you seek is in the first reply. Run the arc, which can be done in a weekend if you're willing to work at it, for the penultimate mission (Dagan) team up with the faction you need a boost for, it's a penalty free boost that won't negatively impact any other faction standings.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#11 - 2013-06-27 02:47:42 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW


EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.

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Khira Kitamatsu
#12 - 2013-06-27 02:48:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
There should be a reasonable way to fix it.

There is, the answer you seek is in the first reply, run the arc, for the penultimate mission (Dagan) team up with the faction you need a boost for, it's even a penalty free boost as it won't negatively impact any other faction standings.


Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?

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Khira Kitamatsu
#13 - 2013-06-27 02:49:00 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW


EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.



No it is not.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2013-06-27 02:52:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?

Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

You're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.

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Khira Kitamatsu
#15 - 2013-06-27 02:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?

Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

You're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.


Thank you! Big smile

BTW - as I said in one of my previous post - I primarily was a miner(Orca pilot)...did some transporting - that's it.

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Rengerel en Distel
#16 - 2013-06-27 02:58:38 UTC
ITT: OP that has only every played WOW and EVE, with no clue that every MMO is grindy in some way or another.

Don't want to grind for tags, you can buy them.
Don't way to buy tags, you can run the tutorial missions for gallente.
Don't want to run the tutorial missions for gallente, run the SOE arc.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2013-06-27 03:04:44 UTC
…so… exactly what kind of tags were you hunting for, and where?
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#18 - 2013-06-27 03:08:24 UTC
There are no orcs or fairies and less oddball people who get turned on by cat/human hybrid women because they have experience boinking the family pets?
How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
#19 - 2013-06-27 03:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: How2FoldSoup
The OP claims that that Eve is a grind just like wow...

The op continues do the only thing Eve may have similarities with wow...PVE.

There's a whole other game other than shooting red crosses and roids and it's the game CCP designed for players to abuse. Get out and abuse it and stop complaining about the system.

This is Eve ffs HTFU and shoot someone.

TL:DR
Quote:

EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.


Edit: Forum mechanics are harder to grasp than ingame.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#20 - 2013-06-27 03:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
The funny thing is that the OP said how different EVE and wow is without even noticing.

In EVE doing missions is different because you actually lose standings when you do them, which is completely different from wow. (In wow you have some factions that hate you when you do "quests" for other factions, but they are they are a rarity.

Now let megive you some differences, in EVE you can actually buy the tags on the market and avoid all the grind, no "bind on pickup" b bullshit. Even when you are pveing in EVE, you can get ganked, items stolen (arguably now), and everything you get from the mission, minning, at least price wise, is affected largely but what the market (players) are supplying and demanding. And at the end pveing is a marginal part of EVE, where it has to be just functioning correctly (no fun intended), whereas the fun part is actually pvp. If you don't pvp in EVE (not neccessarily blowing ships up only, market competition, trading, wh minning, missioning in 0.0 etc..) you are playing the game wrong.
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