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Matthew Breau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-26 05:19:32 UTC
So i saw the picture of mercenary colonies in Molden Health, and if you look in the background, you can see what looks like a minmatar Hurricane. So my question is, would battlecruiser size, and even smaller, ship be able to fly over the surface?

Would fighters and fighter bombers from a carrier in space work over the surface?

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Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#2 - 2013-06-26 05:20:40 UTC
Matthew Breau wrote:
So i saw the picture of mercenary colonies in Molden Health, and if you look in the background, you can see what looks like a minmatar Hurricane. So my question is, would battlecruiser size, and even smaller, ship be able to fly over the surface?

Would fighters and fighter bombers from a carrier in space work over the surface?


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Matthew Breau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-26 05:50:28 UTC
Joke or not, i want clarity. You do this all the time as in, Ya i fly in the clouds in my fancy wolf or i fly 200 km over the planet

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Solania Aurae
Garoun Investment Bank
#4 - 2013-06-26 06:04:39 UTC
Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.

I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.

Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#5 - 2013-06-26 06:12:22 UTC
Solania Aurae wrote:
Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.

I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.

Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.


Atmosphere weakens ships? Why not build giant air and water guns? Lol

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Matthew Breau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-06-26 06:17:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthew Breau
Solania Aurae wrote:
Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.

I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.

Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.


Well somehow it is possible. The picture is on the timelineEve timeline Also, i would think they would coat the volatile materials in a way were it won't explode. Also ships and stations with an interior have an atmosphere for pilot, crew, passenger, ect to survive.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-06-26 08:32:34 UTC
Solania Aurae wrote:
Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.

I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.

Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.

Actual, they DO work on a mass effect field, that is the Lore justification for the submarine mechanics and the fact that you can not only go faster than light, but you can go through a planet, because you project an "anti-reality" field (to be blunt with the name) around your ship with your core, allowing your ship to do wacky science stuff.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-06-26 08:34:38 UTC
Matthew Breau wrote:
Solania Aurae wrote:
Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.

I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.

Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.


Well somehow it is possible. The picture is on the timelineEve timeline Also, i would think they would coat the volatile materials in a way were it won't explode. Also ships and stations with an interior have an atmosphere for pilot, crew, passenger, ect to survive.

Nothing says the vast open expanses inside the station have air, that would be alot of atmosphere, it would be more efficient to use forcefields and other equipment to separate the habitation zones from the docking/maintenance zones so you could minimize atmospheric spread (especially when you realize that if there are no doors between your docked ship and the exterior of the station)
Octoven
Stellar Production
#9 - 2013-06-26 12:05:53 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Matthew Breau wrote:
Solania Aurae wrote:
Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.

I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.

Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.


Well somehow it is possible. The picture is on the timelineEve timeline Also, i would think they would coat the volatile materials in a way were it won't explode. Also ships and stations with an interior have an atmosphere for pilot, crew, passenger, ect to survive.

Nothing says the vast open expanses inside the station have air, that would be alot of atmosphere, it would be more efficient to use forcefields and other equipment to separate the habitation zones from the docking/maintenance zones so you could minimize atmospheric spread (especially when you realize that if there are no doors between your docked ship and the exterior of the station)


By that logic it seems also efficient to place a force field a few meters inside the station behind the door. Mainly because every station Ive seen thus far has no door on them. You could place a force field in place of one and pump atmo into the hanger space. Carriers have force fields that allow fighters and bombers to fly through them, it stands to reason that tech is in stations too and allows ships to fly through them.
Matthew Breau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-26 20:41:05 UTC
I feel that we have gotten off topic. So, we have the ability to make air breathable in a ship and station which will react violently in an oxygen environment. So, instead the material is coated in another material or separated by force fields. Nariya Kentaya pointed out that warp cores have the ability to work as a mass effect field and also
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allowing your ship to do wacky science stuff.
So the answer?

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2013-06-26 20:55:14 UTC
Solania Aurae wrote:
...., but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.


if its a minmatar ship, this happens whether there be atmosphere or not.....

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Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-26 20:56:49 UTC
Well, the artists definitely think the ships can fly in the atmosphere. It looks cool so it might just be for marketing.
adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-26 21:36:03 UTC
EVE Ships cannot fly in atmosphere as the materials they are made from reacts violently with it. Look at the Caldari Titan in on Caldari Prime
Matthew Breau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-26 21:56:10 UTC
Jimmy Morane wrote:
Well, the artists definitely think the ships can fly in the atmosphere. It looks cool so it might just be for marketing.


Hell ya. Deviant art has a few pics and one of them was a rifter flying over an amarr city while being chased by a executioner. Raid

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Matthew Breau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-26 23:51:01 UTC
adopt wrote:
EVE Ships cannot fly in atmosphere as the materials they are made from reacts violently with it. Look at the Caldari Titan in on Caldari Prime


True, but still.

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Valid Point
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-06-27 00:45:21 UTC
If the only thing that separates ships from falling apart because of atmosphere is a force field, then how come people don't just use EM "bombs" to disable the force field and destroying the ship?
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-06-27 01:05:39 UTC
it has been discussed before, in the events subforum, someone pointed that, while the material itself would be flamable in atmospheric conditions, its use un mixed alloys could compensate their flamable issues. maybe mixing it with heat resistant elements.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#18 - 2013-06-27 01:08:31 UTC
Solania Aurae wrote:
Part of me would like to believe this is possible with smaller Fighters/Fighter Bombers, but it is stated in the old EvElopedia that ship materials (Trit, Pyrite ect) are highly volatile in an atmosphere and would break away and become unstable.

I'd imagine there are unseen shuttles that are able to go between station/ship to planet surfaces. Though, I'd also assume that Shuttles as we see them could also be made of standard materials and thus be able to land.

Unless the warp cores that all ships have act akin to the "Mass Effect" idea, though, I don't believe that is how the EvE ships work.

Trit and Pyerite are minerals, by refining them into elements and recombining them into compounds you would create new and different materials with interesting properties. I would assume one of them would be a lack of reaction with oxygen otherwise we would be using liquid O2 shells.

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Matthew Breau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-27 01:08:41 UTC
Valid Point wrote:
If the only thing that separates ships from falling apart because of atmosphere is a force field, then how come people don't just use EM "bombs" to disable the force field and destroying the ship?


That would confirm my theory on coating the material. Why not? Because it would not work on a coating.

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#20 - 2013-06-27 15:12:17 UTC
Some reason this one is interesting.

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