Ships & Modules

Ive seen fits with 100mn mwd and 10mn ab. At first this seemed wasteful but figured it would become evident once i start pvping. Now i have learned that 100mn mwd kills ur accel/decel/turning.

Im thinking legion small group pvp in my head for these questions in case that has a bearing.

1) to get to a target as fast as possible is there anything that can do it faster than 100mn mwd? Lets assume i can take opponents velocity into account so that i can decelerate appropriately. Is the acceleration of a 100mn mwd legion sooo terrible that it will never get to its 5500m/s and will actually reach its target slower than a 10mn mwd?

2) carriers can slingshot into warp by getting hit with a web. OR they can get into warp in 10s cycling mwd one time. Then when cycle ends their at 75% velocity. Im wondering if...

Use 100mn mwd to accelerate then at the appropriate time offline the module and switching to 10mn ab. Would a legion traveling at 5500m/s be able to fix its agility using this method and come to a screeching halt at the right time? Or is its terrible agility a function of its high velocity and offlining the mwd doesnt circumvent that?

Did you seriously need another new topic for this?

Anyhow, no, that won't work. You turn off the MWD and your velocity drops as a function of your inertia and time, but actually turning around is something else entirely; that's also governed by inertia and time. And while you'll be more agile without the oversize prop mod on it's still not exactly a quick maneuver; you will slingshot well past your target and they'll be able to choose to either engage you (if they decide you're hopeless and they can kill you) or get away before you can do much anything about it.

I always measure my fits by the amount I use each module. A module that gets hardly used and does not contribute becomes dead weight. Two propulsion mods has dead weight written all over it. It is as bad as mixing guns.

Do not try to do two things with one ship. Let a tackler do the initial tackle, then catch up with a T3 to be the anchor.

Why don't you fit yourself a 10mn ab frigate or 100mn ab cruiser to get a feel of how it actually works instead of inflicting your bad theory crafting on us?

You won't ever be faster on top of your target with a 100mn mwd on a cruiser hull, because it takes ages to accelerate. And if eventually you make it, you'll be useless because of how gimped your fit will be.

And for your physics question, eve ships are basically marbles in mineral oil.

Dual props do make some sense on certain frigate fits but I agree with you on the whole.

Personally my allergy is for fittings that use slots for "fitting" purposes but do nothig to make the ship better in its primary role.

There are some cases where it really makes sense but generally speaking, seeing an RCU or a co-processor or sometimes and RCU AND a PG rig or *gasp* more than one of these... often raises questions.

thats how Im trying to use the MWD/AB so your issue is with the oversized MWD

Lets pretend that some day i will have capable hands. How are ab used and why mwd cant be used that way

You need to know what these mods exactly do.

An afterburner increases your thrust into a single direction. Your ship reaches a higher velocity, but also responds less agile to course corrections.

A microwarpdrive alters the space around the ship, thereby allows for much greater speeds while your agility stays somewhat the same. The downside is that it causes a space distortion, which makes it appear 5x times larger.

Speed lets you outrun parts of a missile explosion. Therefore does an AB help in reducing missile damage. An MWD is a lot faster, but because of the space distortion and the 5x times increased size can the ship actually take more damage from missiles than it would without MWD. It all depends on how large the explosion radius is and the explosion velocity. Generally is an AB much better for preventing missile damage than an MWD, and being a med-slot module works particularly well with armor tanks.

Speed also lets you outrun turret tracking. To do this does one need a bit of agility, because you have to orbit around the attacker to get under its guns. One needs to consider the lowered agility as well as the increased speed of an AB to know if it is going to work. With a matching AB will most ships have just about enough agility left to make this work. MWDs would work better than ABs here, but the increased ship's signature makes this completely useless as the ship is also a lot easier to hit with an MWD.

Matching ABs then do not need much capacitor and can run with little or no effort next to other active modules while the ship stays cap stable. MWDs lower the total capacitor amount, thereby decrease the recharge rate, and consume a lot of cap while running. Almost all ships need the help of additional cap modules to run cap stable with an MWD. MWDs are simply not meant to be used constantly.

What happens when you fit over-sized propulsion mods is that a ship's well-balanced properties get thrown out of balance. It is not like with WoW or maybe some other game where you can wield a 10t hammer over a 50kg hammer and walk away with it like nothing had changed.

An oversized AB will be very fast, but also very inert and use a lot more cap. You will be able to outrun missile damage much better, but are forced to fly large arcs and wide orbits around your target. So it is best used for kiting and sniping, but impractical if not impossible to use for close range combat.

An oversized MWD is a bit like letting go of an inflated ballon. It is big at first, flies off at a funny speed while being all agile, and after 10 seconds is it as flat and as empty as your ship's capacitor.

I have just checked what you have said and you are correct. It is now the same inertia for both. Not sure why I remember there being a difference. It might have been different in the past.