Missions & Complexes

Good evening good people of eve.

Update: Further down on page one there are some updated facts about standings increases not working correctly.

Update 2: More Evidence

UPDATE 3: Screenshots Proving terrible gains!!!


I have come to this wonderful forum to discuss a burning issue in eve at this very moment.
Yeah you guessed it, Pirate Faction Standings. (for this following post we will be discussing Sansha Faction but this can apply to any Pirate faction)

If young eve players lives in high sec most of his pod life and then progresses enough to do some incursions he/she can easily achieve a negative Sansha standing -5.00. Now to be able to ever work for the Sanshas you must achieve a minimum standing -1.9. Social Skills can hep with this, but if you already have maxed social skills (or close to it) then they are no help at all.

Therefore I give you the only possible way to acheive the required standing: LVL 1 Storyline missions which are given every 16 level 1 missions completed.

And you reward for completing a stroyline mission is increase in standing of 0.04!!

Let me say that again just incase you thought it was a typo.

For 1 Level 1 Storyline mission completed your Faction standing would go from -5.00 to -4.96!!

At approximately 5 mins per lvl 1 mission and 5 mins per storyline missions this would that you would increase your standing by 0.04 every 1hour and 25 mins of solid level one mission gameplay.

That means to move your standing from -5.00 t the required -1.90 you would need to level missions for a solid 90 hours??

Its actually to much of a calculation for my pretty little head to work out, maybe some brilliants maths genius could post the actual numbers, but the bottom line is.....ITS A LOT OF HOURS!!!!!

A recent response from CCP about the issue stated this:

"It is correct that making choices in who to shoot in eve will impact your future gameplay and can require a lot of work mend relationships with former enemies"

I am not aware of any notification to let players know that their choices in choosing to shoot rats in belts/run plexs/do incursions will mean that is could take months of gameplay to rectify this situation.

To summarise, Eve has come a long way since Beta, lots of changes and lots of improvements to make gameplay less of a grind, perfect example is getting your sec status back.

But this faction standing mechanic has not been changed since 2003. I believe this is completely broken and wrong and would like to think that could be improved.

yes there should be a grind to improve standings. But should it be a soul destroying experience, well the answer is nothing in Eve should be.

I'll be here all week, try the veil!!

Hey thanks for the response here and ingame. I have edited my post regarding your repsonse ingame. :P

I wasnt aware that is how the standings increase was calculated, so that is good info.

I was using my own experiences to construct the above post.

My experience =

Current Faction Standing -2.64
Current Faction Corp Standing 9.97

My last lvl 1 storyline mission increased my standing from -.2.68 to -2.64.


Also I have been told by corp mates (and this to be confirmed by me) that sharing a higher level storyline mission does not increase faction standing among people in the gang, only the person who was given the mission.

Oh Joshua, Good to see you are still playing.

What a brilliant and helpful response......not lol

Maybe you should actually be clear about what you are referring to. Maybe its some magic mission i am not aware of, or that the gm forgot to mention, or are u referring to cosmos mission which can only be run once and once only after which they are no help what so ever.

ta ta.

He's referring to the Regal Replacement branch of the Amarr Epic Arc. It's unique in that, unlike the other empire arcs, you can go rogue and work for the Nation (and get rewarded with Nation standings as a result).

We didn't mention that to because a) you don't qualify for it standings-wise and b) you can't get a friend who does and have them share the standings (epic arc faction standing rewards don't split like regular missions do*)

* Yes, sometimes they do in fact split, but this is not intended.

Now that is a helpful post. The most helpful yet. Thank you for the advice. I will get right on this tomorrow and let this wonderful community know the results.

TTFN!


Edit. Erm Ok even if I don't qualify for it I will still look into it tomorrow when I'm more awake.

This is exactly why pirate factions should be a part of faction warfare. To sidestep these headaches in obtaining pirate lp store stuff

Please keep in mind that as long as your faction standing is above -2, you actually only need enough corp standing with the respective epic arc corps - which is easier to achieve and a lot harder to lose.

No one is saying the eve should hand people things on silver platters. no one wants silver platters.

All we want is to be able to achieve the required faction standing with in a semi reasonable time scale. my current faction standing is now -2.55 after 2 storyline missions from a starting standing of -2.68.


That means after 34 level one missions I have a standings increase of plus 0.13.

But ofcourse joshua, all I really want is a silver platter. My situation isn't even that bad. How about the poor person in a similar position with a minus 8 standing and maxed social skills. The grind is not just hard it's near impossible.

http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml

Doesn't the above also apply? If you have a chance,you could work for a different pirate faction to slowly boost your sansha standing based on the derived value.

Now that is a very interesting prospect. And if this is correct would be very good.

But does anyone know if this actually works? It Seems as though you are not getting the required standing increase working for the correct faction at the moment, I'm not sure why I would get a higher standings increase working for another faction?