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Idea to make hisec a better place
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Cardith
Freelancers' Righteous Escalade
#1 - 2013-06-25 05:19:38 UTC
After founding a corp we made the first experiences with awoxers. You can't protect really well against them, even if you backgroundcheck, if they havent done any bad before on this account or deleted the characters where they did bad

So what about making it possible to kick members if they are in Hisec space? Not instantly because I understand the purpose of the rule not being able to kick members when in space. What about being able to autokick them after Downtime or after 1 hour of clicking expel member? They shall get a warning and then they get kicked after this certain amount of time


Make EVE more the way it is meant to be and closing one way to abuse the rules

fly safe
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#2 - 2013-06-25 05:21:52 UTC
Cardith wrote:
After founding a corp we made the first experiences with awoxers. You can't protect really well against them, even if you backgroundcheck, if they havent done any bad before on this account or deleted the characters where they did bad

So what about making it possible to kick members if they are in Hisec space? Not instantly because I understand the purpose of the rule not being able to kick members when in space. What about being able to autokick them after Downtime or after 1 hour of clicking expel member? They shall get a warning and then they get kicked after this certain amount of time


Make EVE more the way it is meant to be and closing one way to abuse the rules

fly safe


Just don't give roles to new members. They don't realy even need them.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Cardith
Freelancers' Righteous Escalade
#3 - 2013-06-25 05:27:25 UTC
not roles

they can join corp and shoot corp members without being concorded and then stay in space so yu cant kick them

;)
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2013-06-25 06:26:11 UTC
Blow them up with your superior numbers?

How did you Veterans start?
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#5 - 2013-06-25 06:33:14 UTC
you need better api checks.

check killmails.

check there skills if you are a mission running /mining corp and they have no mission running / mining skills, and are weighted to pvp only, don't accept them.

if they have very few agent standings where they presumably run missions, don't accept them.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2013-06-25 09:59:21 UTC
I'm reasonably certain that if some abuse of the rules were going on, CCP would have stepped in and put a stop to it sometime in the last several years of AWOXing being possible.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#7 - 2013-06-25 11:59:38 UTC
Well I hate to say it then that you need to do your background checks better.

I know it's possible to avoid the checks but then the char is almost every time new and you would not want them into your corp anyways Twisted

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Cardith
Freelancers' Righteous Escalade
#8 - 2013-06-25 12:19:29 UTC
So the last time it happens, the character ahd 12 mill SP, didnt kill someone in the same corp, no suspicious wallet, mails or contracts and a high security standing.

Anyways I am not complaining about losing a ship, I am complaining about that it is impossible for a CEO to kick someone if he is not docked or offline
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#9 - 2013-06-25 12:20:58 UTC
Cardith wrote:
So the last time it happens, the character ahd 12 mill SP, didnt kill someone in the same corp, no suspicious wallet, mails or contracts and a high security standing.

Anyways I am not complaining about losing a ship, I am complaining about that it is impossible for a CEO to kick someone if he is not docked or offline


Well that true but there are a ton of threats about kicking members while they are in space. This is not a new problem.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-06-25 12:24:23 UTC
Cardith wrote:
After founding a corp we made the first experiences with awoxers. You can't protect really well against them, even if you backgroundcheck, if they havent done any bad before on this account or deleted the characters where they did bad

So what about making it possible to kick members if they are in Hisec space? Not instantly because I understand the purpose of the rule not being able to kick members when in space. What about being able to autokick them after Downtime or after 1 hour of clicking expel member? They shall get a warning and then they get kicked after this certain amount of time


Make EVE more the way it is meant to be and closing one way to abuse the rules

fly safe



Kick people from corp during fights with wardecs, CONCORD intervenes. Sounds fair, doesn't it. Roll
Cardith
Freelancers' Righteous Escalade
#11 - 2013-06-25 12:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Cardith
read my first post

i was talking about autokicking them after DT or sending them a message that they will be kicked in 1 or 2 hours

So i dont have to wait till downtime and repeatedly press the login so im the first one to log into eve
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#12 - 2013-06-25 13:06:25 UTC
Cardith wrote:
read my first post

i was talking about autokicking them after DT or sending them a message that they will be kicked in 1 or 2 hours

So i dont have to wait till downtime and repeatedly press the login so im the first one to log into eve

I think Danika was pointing out a potential abuse whereby a corp could kick a corp member on that timer (consentually), then get into a fight with a war opponent just before the timer winds down. I think it could be handled so that people with their safeties not set to red would automatically deagress the dropped member, but there's potential for bugginess at worst and confusion at best.

I understand and agree with your sentiment, but it's not an easy problem to solve without breaking something else.
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#13 - 2013-06-25 13:32:33 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Kick people from corp during fights with wardecs, CONCORD intervenes. Sounds fair, doesn't it. Roll
Actyually CrimeWatch and the Limited Engagement timer will prevent that from happening. As will having safeties on while in hi-sec. So no, there's no real issue with kicking people while they are in space anymore (at least from a combat perspective).
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#14 - 2013-06-25 13:34:10 UTC
It amuses me how "awoxers" are now the big thing to cry about.

Highsec has been made safer and safer over the years, yet people constantly find something new to whine about and demand changes.

Awoxers aren't a problem. Deal with it.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-25 14:18:09 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Awoxers aren't a problem. Deal with it.


They might not be a problem, but when they actively do things to avoid getting booted from corporations when by all rights/logic they should be bootable it turns the underlying game mechanics into a problem. The idea that people who CEOs/directors want to kick out of a corporation should get booted the next time they dock up or log out if they're already in space is a fair solution to the issue at hand. "Awoxers" get their fun, and "legitimate" corporation members don't feel like "awoxers" are abusing game mechanics and CCP is turning a blind eye to the "problem."
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-06-25 17:24:18 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Kick people from corp during fights with wardecs, CONCORD intervenes. Sounds fair, doesn't it. Roll
Actyually CrimeWatch and the Limited Engagement timer will prevent that from happening. As will having safeties on while in hi-sec. So no, there's no real issue with kicking people while they are in space anymore (at least from a combat perspective).



Kicking people right before the engagement starts, so that before the UI has time to update the hostile fires and gets CONCORDed.

The safeties are just handholding, You can't really balance anything around the bloody things if half the population turns them off. I hate the bloody things.