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Super caps to loose the ability to log off
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-24 11:48:01 UTC
I want a hate button right now...

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Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#22 - 2013-06-24 12:06:29 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
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...Me saying something...


Yah don't care about killmails... I rarely fly ships with guns and much prefer harassment tactics /logistics

I know your right in that this isn't thought out enough but I think of super caps as Alliance assets regardless if one person flys them or not and feel they should stay on the field for the alliance or be protected by it as an individual. The battle potential of the titan completely disappears when a player logs off and the alliance loses it entirely.

So as an alliance asset they could be used and lost regardless of the pilot being there.

They have also seen massive dwarfism in their capabilities and I feel have already been shove half way out the door in comparison to all they were able to do before. With this in place you wouldn't have to keep doing this to them because the Titan's and moms stronger capabilities would be balanced by it's new vulnerability. A vulnerability that doesn't make you go "pop" when exploited but keeps you on your toes, they is still the poss shields and a titan with minimal 80% omni resist super to bring down, hell make it 95% and 80% if it isn't docked and offline.

It's a bit radical but I'm thinking it could have allot of positive outcomes for the game as a whole in terms of incentives and the new tactics that would form in nullsec.


I have to say that I just can't see the positive outcomes for an implement like this. Behaps you could tell us a little bit more cause atm alot of people just want to hate you.

I mean balancing something like this. Dear god it would be awful.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#23 - 2013-06-25 03:20:37 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
supernova ranger wrote:
Super caps would not log off

The idea is to allow players to lock their titans so that 1 of 2 things can happen:

1. They lock it for the character and only the character can get back into it when they jettison from it
2. They lock it for the corporation/ alliance and only those with authorization to in the corporation and/or head corporation can enter/ lock/ unlock the titan

I'd also like to introduce a component for the pos called a docking port:

Supers would be able to dock with a bay which could deal with a maximum of two that would constantly give the titan omni 80% shields and armor resists with 50% hull resisits at the cost of fuel from the supers jump fuel bay. Also has the added bonus of acting like a pos gun's control so that the super can have it's "parking break"

If the pos goes offline, "it" remains online until the last super undocks in that it really only needs the pos to be on for the first docking.

The docking port would also have a small fuel bay that docked supers could access for emergencies when they had to log off fast and needed to top off their tanks to stay safe. Any ship could refill the fuel bay but only supers can take it from it.

If the docking port blows up, it drops it's fuel but doing this is hard to do because they are sturdy and cheap to build making the docked ships better targets. If nothing is docked to or shielding it though they are as flimsy as a large offline pos control tower.

Allot would change with the ability to target and try to destroy enemy ship yards but I think it would be the best for the future of EVE and bring back real meaning to owning a super capital.

EDIT: Haaaaa... so much rage but fairly so - When a dog has a bone, you don't try to take it away from them, you give them another... So through this into the mix, these restrictions with the addition to the old Area-Of-Effect titan doomsdays of old



Sooooo, inside of a month, when there is not one single super left in the game, what next? Do you remove capitals ability to dock and log off too? Then BS, BC etc?


Ok then... I guess the issue that needs to be tackled first is teaching nullsecers how to defend their locations and themselves if you think they would all die in a month... POSs go into renforced so you do have a day to pull yourself together, it's not a show up and kill situation and if someone isn't able to make it then it's up to the alliance to pick up the weight.

But even with your trolling, you have shown me the underlying issues
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-06-25 04:05:56 UTC
Why should any ever be unable to log off in their chosen ship? Especially in such a big investment? Not to mention the fact that most supers log off at POS's anyways so even if they remained in space I doubt you would be able to target or shoot them. This isn't a game mechanic, this is just punishing players at the highest-isk levels of play. And if your worried about there not being any reason to target supercap facilities there are plenty, namely aborting any supercaps in construction.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#25 - 2013-06-25 04:17:30 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Sooooo, inside of a month, when there is not one single super left in the game, what next? Do you remove capitals ability to dock and log off too? Then BS, BC etc?


I know the answer to this one. When there is not one single super left in the game (death to all supers btw) and every last one of them that exists has been absolutely destroyed, you suddenly rebalance their acquisition cost massively upwards such that only very wealthy and powerful alliances can afford to field Motherships and only the very wealthiest alliances (maybe even coalitions) can afford maybe ONE titan. These ships were never meant to be anything resembling commonplace, and if they're all completely removed (regardless of how) it presents an opportunity to fairly do something about their proliferation.

With the proliferation in check, it'll be possible to rebalance them in an amazing and useful way that doesn't just make them oversized dreads and carriers, but rather as the flagships and centerpieces of the fleet that they were intended as.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#26 - 2013-06-25 07:29:52 UTC
2 pages of posters bashing OP's idea and spitting in his face.

And boy does he deserve it.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-06-25 12:48:43 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
supernova ranger wrote:
Super caps would not log off

The idea is to allow players to lock their titans so that 1 of 2 things can happen:

1. They lock it for the character and only the character can get back into it when they jettison from it
2. They lock it for the corporation/ alliance and only those with authorization to in the corporation and/or head corporation can enter/ lock/ unlock the titan

I'd also like to introduce a component for the pos called a docking port:

Supers would be able to dock with a bay which could deal with a maximum of two that would constantly give the titan omni 80% shields and armor resists with 50% hull resisits at the cost of fuel from the supers jump fuel bay. Also has the added bonus of acting like a pos gun's control so that the super can have it's "parking break"

If the pos goes offline, "it" remains online until the last super undocks in that it really only needs the pos to be on for the first docking.

The docking port would also have a small fuel bay that docked supers could access for emergencies when they had to log off fast and needed to top off their tanks to stay safe. Any ship could refill the fuel bay but only supers can take it from it.

If the docking port blows up, it drops it's fuel but doing this is hard to do because they are sturdy and cheap to build making the docked ships better targets. If nothing is docked to or shielding it though they are as flimsy as a large offline pos control tower.

Allot would change with the ability to target and try to destroy enemy ship yards but I think it would be the best for the future of EVE and bring back real meaning to owning a super capital.

EDIT: Haaaaa... so much rage but fairly so - When a dog has a bone, you don't try to take it away from them, you give them another... So through this into the mix, these restrictions with the addition to the old Area-Of-Effect titan doomsdays of old



Sooooo, inside of a month, when there is not one single super left in the game, what next? Do you remove capitals ability to dock and log off too? Then BS, BC etc?


Ok then... I guess the issue that needs to be tackled first is teaching nullsecers how to defend their locations and themselves if you think they would all die in a month... POSs go into renforced so you do have a day to pull yourself together, it's not a show up and kill situation and if someone isn't able to make it then it's up to the alliance to pick up the weight.

But even with your trolling, you have shown me the underlying issues


But it is utterly impossible to keep every hostile out of every system. Please, teach me otherwise.

Drop 50 dreads on a POS, one cycle it and bug out before a meaningful response fleet can form. Do this to every tower you can find with supers in it and the defenders will not be able to hold them all. Dozens of people will lose thier hundred billion ISK plus titans while they're at work, through no fault of thier own.

And that's without even going into the burnout of the poor bastards who have to keep fuelling all the new towers this would require, since you'll have to distribute your supers as thinly as possible to avoid losing them all in your off timezones or while your pilots are out not playing games for whatever reason.


@Alvatore DiMarc, do you honestly think that the big groups will not be able to spam supercaps in huge numbers no matter the cost? If you do, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
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