Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A few no doubt feel that way but the majority of us want new blood in the game, our corps and alliances depends on new players as does the general health and survival of EvE.

What is so unfair about new starters working their way up the skill tree like all of us have had to do? Sure there are players like myself out there that are much older than you and may have a slight advantage (I've lost count of the number of times a younger pilot has popped ships out from under me btw) because of it but I am in a similar position when I encounter players much older than myself.

The skill system works and is by and large fair in that everyone from new player to bitter old vet is treated the same by it.

hey all good honestly, i just say what i experience as new player, maybe it helps maybe not... but its extreme how some veterans react, it feels a bit grim...

Never said you did, (RvB should offer a clue as to my perspective on SPs).

I was addressing your assertion that "unless you are going for supercaps etc, 20m SP or so will get you most of what you want," which is simply inaccurate.

In small gang and solo PvP, the difference between LV 4-5 for Recon, BC and BS is quite dramatic.

And while some recons have fallen out of favor, if you want to fly one -- some, like the Pilgrim, are seriously gimped at LV IV and won't meet serious fleet doctrine standard fits.

And, you did say "want," not "need." I didn't even include training for a Vindi.

yet another naysayer, read the details before you start complaining

Please no. The only people able to do this will be the space rich, people who have lots of time to play eve(make isk), and the people with tons of irl money.

-1 I've said it before and I'll say it again. Buying SP with PLEX is making the game "pay to win". People really should stop bringing this back from the dead. Instead of wasting all that effort, why not put it to good use, supporting more noble causes, like this: Boom!

Because, YOU actually trained them. YOU took the time to get them to that level. Now, if you're referring to the character bazaar, that's a little bit different but still the same principal. SOMEONE trained that character. Buying SP with PLEX is depreciating the value of the time put into learning said skill and also undermining those players who actually did take the time to learn the skills. EVE is not and should never be about instant gratification. Instant gratification gives you what you want now but you don't appreciate it. Likewise in EVE, getting the skills you want immediately mean that yes, you CAN use that ship now, but you don't have the experience to back it. Overall, buying SP with PLEX has always been and will always be, a terrible idea.

I keep saying this every time this topic is brought up, but it's really a matter of inflation. That is why I dont want this in the game.

every time a player passes the 100 million SP mark the value of every other player past the 100 million SP mark goes down just a little bit. This is how buying SP for a character (in any form) is different than the character market.

Picture this:

you have a one of a kind Rembrandt paining, worth millions, then someone finds in a cave somewhere 200 other paintings like yours by Rembrandt. Now your painting isnt worth half as much as it was.

Even though you havent lost anything technically, youldnt you be a bit upset?

the day EVE goes pay for skill is the day I will leave EVE forever and never comeback.. that said I will for sure not be the only one, and I believe that would be the begining of the downfall of EVE and even CCP

It is pay-to-win, if you're honest with yourself.

Anyone who fights a duel/triple- boxer can (not always will) attest to that and multiple indy alts accomplish many things that people complain about concerning null/high sec resources and solo players who don't add anything to the game.

An EVE without alts (or at least w/o duel boxing) is a Utopian dream it would appear, to include for some valid and less valid reasons.

There's no closing this Pandora's box, but I suppose we can avoid creating another one of pay-for-skill. Plus someone had to train these characters, so if nothing else, it's not instant gratification.

Scouts are a dime a dozen but the others take time, and at least at there is a finite number of skilled Falcon and T3 characters for sale. And if you don't want a character with a silly name, the pool is even smaller.