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Praqzis Synkara
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-06-22 18:17:14 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Praqzis Synkara wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
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I meant the turret batteries spread out around the edge that was engaging me. Not the tower itself.


That still AINT a bot.
Its called AI

Either you are stupid and ignorant or you really dont have a clue what you are altalking about.

Either way....saying nothing is better.

Again:


POS guns have an AI.
AI is NOT a bot.


My apologies, but for folks that aren't technical, often AI == bot. You have to know whether OP means "bot" in the general sense (a piece of AI script that is running), or a specific sense that there is a disconnect on. I'm a programmer myself, and "bot" is an ambiguous term that can be interpreted vastly differently from one person to another.

Calling somebody "stupid and ignorant" isn't constructive when it could be as simple as a disconnect on what a term is defined as (when the term itself can be ambiguous).

And out-right calling a new player a troll isn't exactly a welcoming environment when this is the "New Citizens" section. And I disagree that "saying nothing is better." I'd rather a new player talk, get corrected and educated, and become an educated player than saying nothing and staying in the dark.

On a different thread with this OP, he has been thankful for links to useful advice. So I don't believe he is a troll or somebody who wants to stay "ignorant." Some people just have different styles of learning.


BOT means automated gameplay
A.I is Artificial Intelligence


HUGE difference.

And have you seen OP's posting history...We TRY to help him, but he just ignores any advice and keeps to his own (stupid) ideas and opinions which are not correct.


Not to get knit-picky, but putting on my game developer hat here....

"Automated Gameplay" often leads to the question "How is it automated?" Artificial Intelligence is a technique often used in which to automate gameplay. In the classic form of the word "Bot," the bot is usually powered by some form of A.I. algorithm. In other words, a BOT is often powered by a form of A.I. So to a non-techy, equating BOT with A.I. is actually not too far from the truth.

Even a Bot that has a script that says "Do X then Do Y then Do Z" is a form of A.I. Granted, a very "dumb" form of A.I. But still A.I. Taken from the official definition of Artificial Intelligence from Bing: "1.development of intelligent machines: a branch of computer science that develops programs to allow machines to perform functions normally requiring human intelligence" So is a Bot trying to "perform functions normally requiring human intelligence"? I would say, most of the time, yes.

So calling OP an idiot and ignorant for mixing the two up is ridiculous.
Obmud
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-06-24 14:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Obmud
Wow lots of hostility to towards this new player.

To OP:

Pick your pieces up and find a niche or corp that will tickle your interest, it's simply not true that there are only corps that take 10m+ chars in. There's PLENTY. Eve University for one is great for instance if you haven't met it yet. It's great fun and they will teach you the ropes. Downfalls happen. It won't be the last time you will lose alot if you keep playing. At some point in the game you will be on the profit end of a conflict. Thats how it works, that's why EVE is beautiful.



To those telling him to uninstall / unsubscribe:

Right. If everybody would have unsubscribed from this game when he was raging then we had probably 3 concurrent players online right now. What the **** are you people getting from turning new players down ?

You understand that EVE is tough as nails till you found your spot in the game. The dude took some risks, he's pissed... we all know exactly how it feels to write bs about the game when you lost something. The amount of excuses that i made up when i lost my first pod without an up to date medical clone is mind boggling, yet i'm still here. I did rage. I blamed the wrong stuff, but people helped me to pick the pieces up because they knew exactly that not my rage was the problem but my approach to the game, i.e. i didnt really found yet my place.

He didn't find his purpose yet, he might have acted stupid (big whoop, we all do) but telling him to gtfo is not helpful.

Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00

You should sig that, it will look good on you.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#43 - 2013-06-24 18:27:19 UTC
Obmud wrote:
Wow lots of hostility to towards this new player.

To OP:

Pick your pieces up and find a niche or corp that will tickle your interest, it's simply not true that there are only corps that take 10m+ chars in. There's PLENTY. Eve University for one is great for instance if you haven't met it yet. It's great fun and they will teach you the ropes. Downfalls happen. It won't be the last time you will lose alot if you keep playing. At some point in the game you will be on the profit end of a conflict. Thats how it works, that's why EVE is beautiful.



To those telling him to uninstall / unsubscribe:

Right. If everybody would have unsubscribed from this game when he was raging then we had probably 3 concurrent players online right now. What the **** are you people getting from turning new players down ?



Well, mostly because this new player in particular has been given the same advice as you have given him over and over again, and more, and yet keeps ignoring it and making excuses for why he can't follow any of it.

Also because some of his stories don't add up. First he said he lost a cruiser the first time he went into lowsec, then it was a frigate, then two days later he's suddenly an expert at using d-scan to monitor POS'ses in order to steal from jump freighters because he knows no other way to make isk in order to survive because he's so new and all that...

*sigh* Whatever.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-06-24 18:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Obmud wrote:
Wow lots of hostility to towards this new player.

To OP:

Pick your pieces up and find a niche or corp that will tickle your interest, it's simply not true that there are only corps that take 10m+ chars in. There's PLENTY. Eve University for one is great for instance if you haven't met it yet. It's great fun and they will teach you the ropes. Downfalls happen. It won't be the last time you will lose alot if you keep playing. At some point in the game you will be on the profit end of a conflict. Thats how it works, that's why EVE is beautiful.



To those telling him to uninstall / unsubscribe:

Right. If everybody would have unsubscribed from this game when he was raging then we had probably 3 concurrent players online right now. What the **** are you people getting from turning new players down ?



Well, mostly because this new player in particular has been given the same advice as you have given him over and over again, and more, and yet keeps ignoring it and making excuses for why he can't follow any of it.

Also because some of his stories don't add up. First he said he lost a cruiser the first time he went into lowsec, then it was a frigate, then two days later he's suddenly an expert at using d-scan to monitor POS'ses in order to steal from jump freighters because he knows no other way to make isk in order to survive because he's so new and all that...

*sigh* Whatever.



ok perhaps I should clear things up

I did lose my cruiser the first time in low sec space. Then I lost another frigate in a different low sec system. About the POS I was just using D-scan to detect enemy ships like people told me to do and I kept coming to this system over two days and noticed that the 2 ships hadn't moved so I guessed they were idle. But I needed to get some combat probes to tie down their locations. Yeah there were easier ways to get money but it looked to me like such a good target to steal from that I was willing to risk it.


Also I wouldn't call this game hard. Mechanics wise its rather easy to work out. What I'm finding hard is turning those mechanics into a revenue stream.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#45 - 2013-06-24 18:45:43 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Obmud wrote:
Wow lots of hostility to towards this new player.

To OP:

Pick your pieces up and find a niche or corp that will tickle your interest, it's simply not true that there are only corps that take 10m+ chars in. There's PLENTY. Eve University for one is great for instance if you haven't met it yet. It's great fun and they will teach you the ropes. Downfalls happen. It won't be the last time you will lose alot if you keep playing. At some point in the game you will be on the profit end of a conflict. Thats how it works, that's why EVE is beautiful.



To those telling him to uninstall / unsubscribe:

Right. If everybody would have unsubscribed from this game when he was raging then we had probably 3 concurrent players online right now. What the **** are you people getting from turning new players down ?



Well, mostly because this new player in particular has been given the same advice as you have given him over and over again, and more, and yet keeps ignoring it and making excuses for why he can't follow any of it.

Also because some of his stories don't add up. First he said he lost a cruiser the first time he went into lowsec, then it was a frigate, then two days later he's suddenly an expert at using d-scan to monitor POS'ses in order to steal from jump freighters because he knows no other way to make isk in order to survive because he's so new and all that...

*sigh* Whatever.



ok perhaps I should clear things up

I did lose my cruiser the first time in low sec space. Then I lost another frigate in a different low sec system. About the POS I was just using D-scan to detect enemy ships like people told me to do and I kept coming to this system over two days and noticed that the 2 ships hadn't moved so I guessed they were idle. But I needed to get some combat probes to tie down their locations. Yeah there were easier ways but it looked to me like such a good target to steal from


Hi Paul.

Hope you're doing better in the game.


> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-06-24 18:47:00 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


ok perhaps I should clear things up

I did lose my cruiser the first time in low sec space. Then I lost another frigate in a different low sec system. About the POS I was just using D-scan to detect enemy ships like people told me to do and I kept coming to this system over two days and noticed that the 2 ships hadn't moved so I guessed they were idle. But I needed to get some combat probes to tie down their locations. Yeah there were easier ways but it looked to me like such a good target to steal from


Arrow Sounds like something to do to me.

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-06-24 19:26:33 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Obmud wrote:
Wow lots of hostility to towards this new player.

To OP:

Pick your pieces up and find a niche or corp that will tickle your interest, it's simply not true that there are only corps that take 10m+ chars in. There's PLENTY. Eve University for one is great for instance if you haven't met it yet. It's great fun and they will teach you the ropes. Downfalls happen. It won't be the last time you will lose alot if you keep playing. At some point in the game you will be on the profit end of a conflict. Thats how it works, that's why EVE is beautiful.



To those telling him to uninstall / unsubscribe:

Right. If everybody would have unsubscribed from this game when he was raging then we had probably 3 concurrent players online right now. What the **** are you people getting from turning new players down ?



Well, mostly because this new player in particular has been given the same advice as you have given him over and over again, and more, and yet keeps ignoring it and making excuses for why he can't follow any of it.

Also because some of his stories don't add up. First he said he lost a cruiser the first time he went into lowsec, then it was a frigate, then two days later he's suddenly an expert at using d-scan to monitor POS'ses in order to steal from jump freighters because he knows no other way to make isk in order to survive because he's so new and all that...

*sigh* Whatever.



ok perhaps I should clear things up

I did lose my cruiser the first time in low sec space. Then I lost another frigate in a different low sec system. About the POS I was just using D-scan to detect enemy ships like people told me to do and I kept coming to this system over two days and noticed that the 2 ships hadn't moved so I guessed they were idle. But I needed to get some combat probes to tie down their locations. Yeah there were easier ways but it looked to me like such a good target to steal from


Hi Paul.

Hope you're doing better in the game.




A bit better, I've started salavaging and that gives me enough money to equibe my cheap mining barge. That can give me 2m and hour allowing me to do something. I've been able to buy and equibe frigates while at the same time saving up for something else.
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