Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Here's an idea:

- learn reprocessing skills
- learn some trading skills
- put up some buy orders for mission loot
- babysit your buy orders while you mine
- reprocess
- multiply your daily income

But apparently it makes much more sense to defend your pathetic mining income via silly ideas then just to grab one of the many opportunities in Eve by the balls and get rich yourself, right?

1)Your SP intensive claim is factually false.
When you remove the SP that can cross over to other activities besides mineral acquisition its really not that skill intensive.
Off the top of my head the skills that can not translate are:
mining upg. I-V
exhumer IV-V
mining V(?)

Total SP value is a few mill in absolute terms and pales in comparison to other professions (so not great in relative terms either). The fact that you think this is relevant in the first place is p. laughable.

2)Your "Mission mining requires ship changes" is also factually false. Unless you mean to tell me that mining vessels that operate in places with multiple BS spawns magically lose the ability to deal with frig/cruiser rats in mining missions.

3) Your claim that highsec miners do not have access to high end materials is factually false (hint its in the same objects that mission runners get their "minerals" from)

4) You "undermind" your own argument by saying faction/deadspace/officer are ok.

TBH if people want changes to how named loot enters the game they might do better making an argument related to invention.

That said, I will be happier than a pig in **** if/when CCP removes named drops from missions. If it is perceived as a nerf by any substantial number of players there are two things that occur that will make me giggle to no end:

1) the rage threads
2) the influx of characters into activities that produce significantly more raw ISK per hour. Which will drive money supply higher along a (roughly) exponential curve.
3) drives people to purchase more alts; because specialization never necessitated interaction.

It's not vauge at all. It's provable to anyone that has an ounce of knowledge about economics.

I will take this on a point by point.

Mining is what I started EVE on and did at least forty to fifty hours a week multiboxing and yet the income sstill was not enoguh so I started salvaging as a still quite inexperienced player. Suddenly I could afford things I could not before. Like PLEX. To keep playing EVE. Corps like Pro Synergy are great for the game because they help the market and missioners and dalvagers AND producers.

Mining does not generate the amount of minerals therefore income that it should but this does not mean othr ytrades need nerfing. I regularly sell billions worth of minerals to mske up for miners that cannot meet deamnd. CCP buffed high en nulsec ores to help with this but its still not enough so module melters like me still have a job.

Also by monopolyzing mining as the sole source of minerals you HUGELY encourage even more botting which CCP wants to KILL not reward.

And !another! thing is the reason npcs drop non-epic loot is because they 'use' them. Yes they are better than meta zero but that is because meta zero is the only thing for tech two builders to build from. There is no method to improve meta stuff otherwise so it is essentially useless. These drops are NOT epic in any way and it takes a lot of them to be of any worth which means a lot of time spent doing it.

Missions have been nerfed and so has salvage on MANY levels over the last two years. The only thing I agree with you on is that the mineral you get should increase.

T1 has its sales base. It be as the base item for t2. Its just so happens most t2 builders have that t1 bpo and work from that. If you made t1 your key to financial success....you generally backed the wrong horse.


T1 mods have never been the path to riches in this game barring a few items. You have to pick the t1 items with no t2 or the t2 is not commonly used for whatever reason (its hard to fit, little return, pita to train, etc.).

Making 200mm AC T1 guns will not make you rich fast. T1 bomb launchers might. Not all train for the t2 launcher. Its reward for the training is not game breaking. I tbh trainied it only because in a perc/will rempa cycle and said wth, lets do it. T1 gang links as well....the path to pro boosting is a long one so most boosters ride out fitting lowly t1 for quite a while.

Or....you are going to have give competitive pricing with the t1 you make to enitce t2 builders to buy it. When I did indy if making say 425 II rails I knew going to jita exactly how much it would be to make them piece by piece. If while picking up the moon goo and such I saw 425 I rails for a fair price I picked them up to save some production time. Charge a higher price...well I 'd jsut make them ore by ore and component by component.

This is exactly why I thought CCP should not have increased the amount of low-end minerals in 'roids. It was a NERF to mining as a profession.

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That's what I think.

You're suggesting replacing items with items to make items which just increases the work involved in getting those items to market with no increase in enjoyment of gameplay and a nasty reduction in game immersion/realism. NPC ships should function no differently from PC ships in that when you blow them up you get free (to you) stuff. The idea that named and deadspace items shouldn't be sacrosanct from manufacturing queues is one I can agree with, but your proposal for dealing with that situation just doesn't work. Introducing BPCs to produce named items and having them drop from NPCs and NPC structures would be a much better way of achieving that.

Your idea proposes a significant amount of work for CCP and an ongoing work increase for players with no commensurate gain in enjoyment for them or the player base. Well, no gain unless you're a miner/industrialist grinding out T1 items and wanting to boost your income...

Also, making NPCs drop items to upgrade T1 items into other items doesn't actually make T1 items more useful for their specific purpose, it just makes them more purchased to fill another role. Furthermore the only minerals I have yet to mine in high-sec are megacyte and morphite. Morphite is irrelevant to the discussion at hand while it pertains strictly to T1/named items, and if you can find anomalies with megacyte-bearing asteroids in high-sec megacyte isn't a "can't mine in high-sec" mineral either.



Free loot from PCs doesn't show up (explicitly) in that cycle either, but that's kinda sorta what it's like for players. It's unrealistic to make NPCs function any differently from PCs in that regard. Likewise the only reasonable way to acquire officer items is to "farm mobs for epic loots." That's already an aspect of gameplay and one that CCP is very unlikely to change in the near future.



I rather think that his point was that you need T1 items to produce T2 items, not that you "need" T1 items to invent T2 BPCs.

You already have what the op is asking for in t2 weapon bpcs, which generally sell for the most and are the best meta available period, as far as guns go.

Lots of people have fun clicking several times on a couple windows and then waiting minutes to hours or even days for the finished product to be spat out? Interesting. I might buy that if the production process in EVE were more involved and entertaining, but it doesn't really need to be either.



I'm sure that the idea that in-game reality needs to be both immersive and realistic within the context of the corresponding game universe is a shock to many people, but that doesn't make it untrue.

If you don't like realism and immersion in EVE then why not campaign to have MLP spaceships? I don't mean something like the Hello Kitty skinned apocalypse or kestrel, I mean actually flying around in Applejack with a couple Dual 650mm ACs mounted on her flanks? Maybe go munch on an alfalfa asteroid or two and then fly in front of an iteron undocking from Jita when she has to "drop some dumplings" or whatever euphemism you wish to use? Maybe we could also implement some sort of pokemon mechanics involving exotic dancers, slaver hounds, slaves, scientists, and related "commodities." "Exotic Dancer uses Strip against Slave. It's super effective!"

If you want to toss out the idea that realism and immersion are necessary then let's go whole hog here, chief.



About as realistic as blowing up a ship and not getting any items. I personally wouldn't have a problem with modules ranging from 100% condition to 0%-but-not-quite-destroyed to completely destroyed both with PC and NPC drops.



When did I say I was(n't)?



Gun could've been blown off, and keeping it associated with the wreck/post-salvage loot can is part of the Keep EVE Beautiful progra... I mean just a way for CCP to help reduce the "clutter" taking up CPU cycles and database/RAM space. Also, referring to large projectile ammo as "car sized ammo" is a tad misleading given that 1400mm is only approximately 4.6' diameter, and that's just for the largest Large gun. At the smallest that "car-sized ammo" is maybe 1.4'.

Now I'll meet you halfway here. You propose an idea for reprocessing wrecks to retrieve their (remaining) mineral value and I'll critique it. Bear in mind that it has to cover the following issues:
#1 If it's a mobile platform how big is it? What skills will it require to fly?
#2 If it's an immobile platform how will you move the wreck to it? I could see carriers moving sub-cap wrecks to a "reprocessing array" in no/low-sec, but what about in high-sec? Maybe an orca for sub-BS ships, but how will you reprocess the wreck of your beloved typhoon?
#3 How do we continue to remove minerals from the game environment if PC ship destruction is no longer a guaranteed mineral removal and NPC wrecks are, within the confines of #1 and #2, more or less guaranteed minerals of one amount or another?