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The Zetas Vs Anonymous
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Xenuria
#1 - 2011-11-05 17:27:56 UTC
Zetas give in to the demands of Anonymous

If the Mexican drug cartel had not released the member of anonymous alive and well then OPCartel would have dropped the dox on the Zetas membership and government collaborators.

I applaud the diplomatic intellect of the Zetas Cartel.

"Zeta: Give us back our Anonymous participant or many of you die within a week."

The above tweet was posted by a spokesperson for Anonymous a few days ago and it looks like the intimidation factor worked. The Zetas handed over our guy only slightly bruised up and in good health.

While many people debate the degree to which Anonymous could combat The Zetas directly, almost everybody agrees that the release of the emails and related dirt would cripple the zetas as their exposed collaborators and members were bumped off.

Information is Power and Anonymous has a statistical monopoly on information.

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Selinate
#2 - 2011-11-05 17:30:22 UTC
Why do people keep insisting on describing Anonymous as some sort of organized group of people...
Xenuria
#3 - 2011-11-05 17:47:15 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Why do people keep insisting on describing Anonymous as some sort of organized group of people...


Well considering the fact that they are funded by German tax dollars and are considered by many to be the worlds largest philanthropy. I would argue that yes they are a collective group of individuals working together. If you have basic questions like this then I think you should take a look at www.whyweprotest.net.

I think what the "entity" actually does is more important then how it is categorized be it group, collective, etc.

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Adunh Slavy
#4 - 2011-11-05 18:10:57 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Why do people keep insisting on describing Anonymous as some sort of organized group of people...


Probably because it is easier for most. Pop culture and language tend to dumb down everything to the vulgar, the lowest common denominator. News media isn't going to describe the amorphous nature of Anonymous every time they mention it in much the same way they never describe the functional differences between political systems or governments when they are mentioned.

Case in point, the USA is not a democracy, it is a Republic, but news and pop culture refers to the USA as a democracy. European news rarely if ever describes the US congress in anything other than parliamentary terms.

US news rarely ever describes how governments in Europe are constructed from the parliamentary systems where people vote for parties and end up with executives that are from numerous parties from whatever coalition was formed.

People are lazy and often do not step out side their own frame of reference.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Xenuria
#5 - 2011-11-05 21:00:04 UTC
Was the Zetas the cartel that took a chainsaw to the head of that one guy?

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Selinate
#6 - 2011-11-05 23:03:53 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Why do people keep insisting on describing Anonymous as some sort of organized group of people...


Well considering the fact that they are funded by German tax dollars and are considered by many to be the worlds largest philanthropy. I would argue that yes they are a collective group of individuals working together. If you have basic questions like this then I think you should take a look at www.whyweprotest.net.

I think what the "entity" actually does is more important then how it is categorized be it group, collective, etc.



You're an idiot.
Selinate
#7 - 2011-11-05 23:06:20 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Why do people keep insisting on describing Anonymous as some sort of organized group of people...


Probably because it is easier for most. Pop culture and language tend to dumb down everything to the vulgar, the lowest common denominator. News media isn't going to describe the amorphous nature of Anonymous every time they mention it in much the same way they never describe the functional differences between political systems or governments when they are mentioned.

Case in point, the USA is not a democracy, it is a Republic, but news and pop culture refers to the USA as a democracy. European news rarely if ever describes the US congress in anything other than parliamentary terms.

US news rarely ever describes how governments in Europe are constructed from the parliamentary systems where people vote for parties and end up with executives that are from numerous parties from whatever coalition was formed.

People are lazy and often do not step out side their own frame of reference.



You'd think after news reporters frequently asking a random member of anonymous "Is your group responsible for this", that after a while the response of "I didn't do it, but maybe some other person who identifies with anonymous did", would get the point across....
BLACK-STAR
#8 - 2011-11-05 23:21:28 UTC
That's a brilliant swift threat, I like. good the guy was released.

"Now my weed dealer won't come by because he's afraid of the damned Zetas," that would suck

to my knowledge I don't believe german government funds anonymous. lol
Xenuria
#9 - 2011-11-06 01:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
BLACK-STAR wrote:
That's a brilliant swift threat, I like. good the guy was released.

"Now my weed dealer won't come by because he's afraid of the damned Zetas," that would suck

to my knowledge I don't believe german government funds anonymous. lol



Do a Search on a guy named Graham Berry and use the term funding. I could be mistaken but I think the woman who helps manage that stuff is named Ursala Camberta, not sure if I am spelling her name right or not.

I am done spoon feeding you guys.

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-11-06 06:45:12 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I am done spoon feeding you guys.


Not even close.

Every weekend you make an anonymous news topic and then get condescending about what other people don't know. It's your god damned topic that you brought to this group of people. Feed us as much as we'll "eat" or you may as well just **** off and write a blog for us to never read or know about.

Explain your statement about them being government funded and keep the conversation going, or no one will ever give two ***** to look it up and you will have wasted your time from the start because the articles will have no context among readers who don't understand the group.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-06 12:18:34 UTC
oh hey, it's yet another xenuria thread.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Xenuria
#12 - 2011-11-06 13:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I am done spoon feeding you guys.


Not even close.

Every weekend you make an anonymous news topic and then get condescending about what other people don't know. It's your god damned topic that you brought to this group of people. Feed us as much as we'll "eat" or you may as well just **** off and write a blog for us to never read or know about.

Explain your statement about them being government funded and keep the conversation going, or no one will ever give two ***** to look it up and you will have wasted your time from the start because the articles will have no context among readers who don't understand the group.



You know what? You are absolutely right.
I am sorry, last night I was in one of my moods.


When I say funded I literally mean funded as in some parts, emphasis on parts of anonymous actually do exist on paper. WWP and Occupy being a few.

The Germans have a massive boner for anonymous because the German government hates Scientology just as much as we do. We are like super heroes over there. They as in the German Government and the Community give us loads of free stuff and pay for a large portion of our expenses. We share a common enemy and the German Government understands this.

Anonymous have very low overhead costs surprisingly, now I am not a number cruncher I am just a PR and CI person. However from what I understand our main cost is keeping sites and information up and available and paying legal bills.
If Scientology somehow manages to get you arrested in Germany then 90% of the time you will have career legal people jumping to fight for you pro bono. Same thing can be said about London. Epic Nose guy had a very expensive case and he did not pay a dime. Also that case set MASSIVE legal precedent and was a HUGE win for free speech.

However in the USA you do not always have free legal aid and such, I know the Occupy Wall St people have their own separate free pr and legal team then anon but we do still share resources.

I can talk forever about this but I think what I am trying to say in all this rambling is that anonymous have a metric **** ton of money spread all over in different companies and philanthropies.

To prevent people in anon from stealing money and just running off with it, the majority of the case it is stored in organizations affiliated with anonymous, organizations that actually show up on paper. Money is then siphoned into anon when needed.


tl;dr

Anonymous is funded by German Tax Dollars, Private Donations and other sources like the organizations and movements that anon assimilates into it's ranks.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#13 - 2011-11-06 15:36:21 UTC
Social security payments are not considered "funding" in Germany.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#14 - 2011-11-06 15:38:39 UTC

Soooo....it's anonymous+occupy+germans vs scientologists+rest of the world for....what? Control of the world? Freedom? Liberty?

Forgive me, it's early on a Sunday and I haven't had my second cup of coffee, so my math is rusty. And my conspiracy theory books are in the downstairs library.

Dum Spiro Spero
Xenuria
#15 - 2011-11-06 17:36:29 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:

Soooo....it's anonymous+occupy+germans vs scientologists+rest of the world for....what? Control of the world? Freedom? Liberty?

Forgive me, it's early on a Sunday and I haven't had my second cup of coffee, so my math is rusty. And my conspiracy theory books are in the downstairs library.



Well I am not here for conspiracy theories. Sure you have people out there that say anonymous is the modern day Illuminati but I never really bought into those theories.

I am not really going to discuss the ideology of anon in this thread because in truth you can read several essays and articles on the various philosophical and ideological concepts that form the basis of the decision making process in Anonymous and still somehow come away confused and befuddled.

You could easily devote a thousand page book to just explaining in detail what anonymous is and why they do what they do. Or alternatively you can over simplify things and just say that for better or worse they are a powerful entity with intentions to absorb or dismantle other powerful entities.

If the other entity is a good or benevolent one like a philanthropy, charity or rights movement then it gets absorbed.

If the other entity is something like a drug cartel or fake religion designed to hurt people and do bad stuff then it get's dismantled.

At it's very core anonymous is pure unfiltered raw potential. It is the Individuals acting collectively that focus and harness this shared power and potential.


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Hyacinthous
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-06 22:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Hyacinthous
We don't need anonymous to hack them, america is getting ready to carpet bomb them. No worries. Twisted

Literally, can't wait until this happens. No joke. Big smile
Carceret Rinah
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-08 01:46:14 UTC
I think Anonymous is basically a trendy brand for internet activism. People "identify with" Anonymous as a brand, rather than be members of an organization. They "support" its actions and enjoy its products while accepting no responsibility for the risks or consequences. I mean, the Zetas thing was probably the work of one or two people, not a legion of masked men, yet the credit goes to Anonymous as a body?

Just like with Nike or Starbucks or Pokemon or whatever, I think it's not the product so much as the label that has appeal. Black robes and Guy Fawkes masks make their wearers feel powerful and engaged, just like wearing designer clothes make people feel attractive and prosperous. Wear the name, and you are "capable of anything", be it juvenile pranks, petty vengeance, or challenging mighty governments and banks.

There's every reason to claim to be/support "Anonymous" or part of the "Occupy" movement. These are visble, fashionable things right now, and really easy to pretend to be actively involved in. No one can prove you aren't... because they are anonymous, transient, and leaderless. These brands are there for the taking, by anyone, by design.

Of course, to define oneself by anybody else's brand, I think a person must not think very much of their own. When is coming up with your own ideas, and using your own talents to be successful, going to become cool again?
Remarka Belle Locus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-08 02:06:37 UTC
Carceret Rinah wrote:


Of course, to define oneself by anybody else's brand, I think a person must not think very much of their own. When is coming up with your own ideas, and using your own talents to be successful, going to become cool again?


When has it ever been?
Adunh Slavy
#19 - 2011-11-08 02:26:44 UTC
Remarka Belle Locus wrote:
Carceret Rinah wrote:


Of course, to define oneself by anybody else's brand, I think a person must not think very much of their own. When is coming up with your own ideas, and using your own talents to be successful, going to become cool again?


When has it ever been?



When taxes are low.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#20 - 2011-11-08 06:56:56 UTC
I challenge any one of you to start a real hacker group and see how fast you get rolled up.

Same goes for any large drug gang or terrorist organization.


Nothing passes without approval. The savior is in fact the boss of the boogey men.

Zeta, Anonymous - they exist because the government wants them to. They serve a purpose.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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