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Ugh, another Brutix?
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SaurianX
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-22 02:05:47 UTC
Why in the universe did they release a Navy Brutix instead of a Navy Myrmidon?
We already had 3 different Brutix-class ships, plus all the other races got navy versions of their non-CS BC classes...
...so why another Brutix?
I don't mean to sound ungrateful for new content...I've just been hoping for a new Myrm for a long time, and I'm a little irritated by this missed opportunity.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-22 02:09:14 UTC
SaurianX wrote:
Why in the universe did they release a Navy Brutix instead of a Navy Myrmidon?
We already had 3 different Brutix-class ships, plus all the other races got navy versions of their non-CS BC classes...
...so why another Brutix?
I don't mean to sound ungrateful for new content...I've just been hoping for a new Myrm for a long time, and I'm a little irritated by this missed opportunity.


CCP hates Myrm pilots, therefore they put in just one less than a full set of drones to grief you. To rub it in, they give navy vexor full set of drones. And they simply cannot give you a navy version that would have a full set of drones, as it would undo previous griefing...Big smile
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#3 - 2013-06-22 08:02:22 UTC
Because Brutix are cool and drones are a tricky weapon system due to their destructability, travel time and low DPS...
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#4 - 2013-06-22 08:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
SaurianX wrote:
Why in the universe did they release a Navy Brutix instead of a Navy Myrmidon?


Because 1126 DPS, 87.4k EHP after magazine, neut/web/scram/MWD/CB.

[Brutix Navy Issue, SG Armor Brutix Navy Issue]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
True Sansha Small Capacitor Booster
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Now go play with your drones...XD
SaurianX
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-06-22 09:43:10 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Because Brutix are cool and drones are a tricky weapon system due to their destructability, travel time and low DPS...


They are cool indeed, but myrms are cool too and as I said - the were already 3 brutix class to choose from anyway. As for your drone point, I don't see how that would be a factor in CCP choosing brutix over myrm...because if it was, why would they have drones in the game to begin with?

Bertrand Butler wrote:
SaurianX wrote:
Why in the universe did they release a Navy Brutix instead of a Navy Myrmidon?


Because 1126 DPS, 87.4k EHP after magazine, neut/web/scram/MWD/CB.



More reason to not release it. I'm asking why they did release it.
Zenosh Majere
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-22 11:18:00 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
SaurianX wrote:
Why in the universe did they release a Navy Brutix instead of a Navy Myrmidon?


Because 1126 DPS, 87.4k EHP after magazine, neut/web/scram/MWD/CB.

[Brutix Navy Issue, SG Armor Brutix Navy Issue]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
True Sansha Small Capacitor Booster
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Now go play with your drones...XD



maybe with drones.. but that fit with all 5s is only 841 dps
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#7 - 2013-06-22 11:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
hot void and hammers (1000/1126). What I'm trying to say is that the BNI is a very nice ship, and definitely a good alternative for the Talos in some situations.

Having said that, I would too like to see a faction Myrmidon, and maybe we will get one in the future...C:
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-22 13:44:52 UTC
There's talk over on the Features board about switching the Eos to a myrmidon hull. Were that to happen then there'd be no issue with the navy brutix.
SaurianX
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-06-22 14:01:51 UTC
Shereza wrote:
There's talk over on the Features board about switching the Eos to a myrmidon hull. Were that to happen then there'd be no issue with the navy brutix.


I honestly would be happy enough with that.

But, I believe that would only make things worse. I think the fundamental flaw here is that they've treated one faction differently to the other three - and if they change the Eos to a myrm hull, surely many pilots from the other 3 factions will be calling to have their respective command ships changed?
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#10 - 2013-06-22 15:24:57 UTC
that 1126 DPS brutix? If a myrmidon caught it in a belt it would still kill it.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-06-22 16:57:44 UTC
SaurianX wrote:
Shereza wrote:
There's talk over on the Features board about switching the Eos to a myrmidon hull. Were that to happen then there'd be no issue with the navy brutix.


I honestly would be happy enough with that.

But, I believe that would only make things worse. I think the fundamental flaw here is that they've treated one faction differently to the other three - and if they change the Eos to a myrm hull, surely many pilots from the other 3 factions will be calling to have their respective command ships changed?


Who cares, it would just be a model change.

I like the look of the brutix better anyway
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-22 17:08:37 UTC
SaurianX wrote:
Shereza wrote:
There's talk over on the Features board about switching the Eos to a myrmidon hull. Were that to happen then there'd be no issue with the navy brutix.


I honestly would be happy enough with that.

But, I believe that would only make things worse. I think the fundamental flaw here is that they've treated one faction differently to the other three - and if they change the Eos to a myrm hull, surely many pilots from the other 3 factions will be calling to have their respective command ships changed?


IIRC also proposed are:
Nighthawk -> Drake
Absolution -> Harbinger
Sleipnir -> Hurricane

The sleipnir and absolution being changed to new hulls are being contested though, or at least contested moreso than the suggested nighthawk change which is, last I saw, more contested than the proposed eos change.
Georn
Pandemonium Fortress
#13 - 2013-06-22 17:21:25 UTC
Do NOT touch my Nighthawk!
I will hurt you! Badly!

A Navy Myrm with 125 bandwith would have been a nice thing.
Just to have a 5 Heavy Drones Myrm again :)
I miss that
SaurianX
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-06-22 17:51:08 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
SaurianX wrote:
Shereza wrote:
There's talk over on the Features board about switching the Eos to a myrmidon hull. Were that to happen then there'd be no issue with the navy brutix.


I honestly would be happy enough with that.

But, I believe that would only make things worse. I think the fundamental flaw here is that they've treated one faction differently to the other three - and if they change the Eos to a myrm hull, surely many pilots from the other 3 factions will be calling to have their respective command ships changed?


Who cares, it would just be a model change.

I like the look of the brutix better anyway


I care.

And I also prefer the look of the myrm.
Dewa Cinta
Horrible Mining Corp
#15 - 2013-06-22 19:19:12 UTC
SaurianX wrote:
Shereza wrote:
There's talk over on the Features board about switching the Eos to a myrmidon hull. Were that to happen then there'd be no issue with the navy brutix.


I honestly would be happy enough with that.

But, I believe that would only make things worse. I think the fundamental flaw here is that they've treated one faction differently to the other three - and if they change the Eos to a myrm hull, surely many pilots from the other 3 factions will be calling to have their respective command ships changed?


I actually wish there were more differences like this.

Every race following the same rules and being similar is very bad and boring.
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#16 - 2013-06-22 19:43:44 UTC
Because the regular brutix is terrible so they made up for it with the navy one.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-06-22 22:20:44 UTC
Eos to a Myrm hull would be cool, but the other proposed changes I'm torn on. Slep to a Cane hull would be cool too. Abso and NH not so much
Shpenat
Ironman Inc.
Transgress
#18 - 2013-06-22 22:25:56 UTC
They explained in the odyssey ship balancing devblog why they picked the brutix.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#19 - 2013-06-23 01:34:00 UTC
All the serpentis faction ships are gunboats. need to leave space for a serpentis faction droneboat. They could make the trolling of gallente complete if it had projectile bonuses from the minmatar skill :)

The navy vexor and navy domi are perfectly fine navy faction droneboats.
Ziester
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-06-23 01:38:12 UTC
Georn wrote:
Do NOT touch my Nighthawk!
I will hurt you! Badly!

A Navy Myrm with 125 bandwith would have been a nice thing.
Just to have a 5 Heavy Drones Myrm again :)
I miss that

And I miss the 5 Heavies / 7 Turrets Eos :'(

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