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After-Action Report, Haatomo, YC115.06.18

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#141 - 2013-06-21 22:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
If I may?

Tuulinen-haan, just as we must be willing to rehabilitate Provists, we must be willing to recognize those who cannot be rehabilitated. I cannot say whether Kim-haani is one of those. Kim-haani, for her dedicated service, deserves respect; at the same time, it must be recognized that for years, her loyalty has been to Heth as much as the State. As such, she must be given an opportunity to prove her renewed dedication to the State, and she must prove her dedication, for she is one who called those who would hunt Heth criminals, terrorists, and traitors.

We must watch her walk her path, and see if it is the path of the reclaimed State.

With Heth's escape from Haatomo, I'm sure she will have opportunities to demonstrate her loyalty.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#142 - 2013-06-21 22:46:25 UTC
Perhaps you're right, Priano-haani. It just goes against the grain to cast any citizen aside at times like these.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Nanao Avala
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#143 - 2013-06-21 22:50:14 UTC
Just like a dog can be trained the wrong way, it can also learn through reinforcement what is right and wrong. You take the 'dog' after it mauls people and never punish it, eventually it will do it again. However, there is a difference between what you all refer to as a 'dog' and this human being we are speaking about, Kim-haani.

"Rehabilitating" a human is only showing it that what it did is excusable. Which it is not. Living with such things on her mind, even through rehabilitation can effect her way of thinking in situations. Until she faces justice for what she has done, how is she not only to learn that what she has done is an atrocity, but to truly take a look at herself and her psyche and come to terms with her actions?

It will live on her conscience until she faces atonement.

Dr. Nanao Avala: Psychologist, Behavioral Analyst

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#144 - 2013-06-21 22:51:49 UTC
Let us not cast her aside. Let us merely keep her at a distance, 'til we know she is not the rabid hound, but the unfortunate hound whose master was vicious.

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Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#145 - 2013-06-21 23:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Solarienne
Personally, I find it amusing that anyone here thinks they can tell Kim where she can and cannot go, if she lives or dies, or any other influence on her life. She lives for a purpose greater than the words of any one individual, save maybe the individual I now serve.

Heth may live or die, but what he aspired to, his vision, does not need to die with him, Kim-haani. Consider these the words of a blood-traitor and Nation loyalist, but deep down you know that the State has driven out it's second, lesser, visionary in just over 100 years.

The State sells us on honour, glory and the promise of reward for elevating our entire way of life in a constant cycle of self sacrifice and meritorious conduct. All it really is, is a self-perpetuating status-quo that grinds poor souls like Kim between it's teeth and greases the progress of snakes and vermin such as the Liberal Capsuleers currently commenting.

When all is said and done, Kim, the Federation has done us, Nation, much wrong over time. We too follow a Caldari of unique vision and cognitive achievement. The Dragonaurs, CPD remnants and Provists are a laudable left over of a failed vision of a Raata Empire in our age, but Nation takes that concept beyond the mere imposing of borders and racial identity. Maybe we should talk sometime Kim, as former Provist to current?

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#146 - 2013-06-21 23:10:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Thanks, but I have had enough of tea for now.


I agree, dear! Times such as these call for vodka, tomato juice, and sex.

I have this little place by a giant frozen lake on Caldari Prime. Swing by! Unwind! Battlefields remain ever in flux. Plot a new realm on the sensual, smoldering ruins of the old. It's good for the soul! We Amarr understand these things.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#147 - 2013-06-21 23:16:55 UTC
All I can say in Kim-haani's defence is that if some of the State citizens I see in this communique were half the soldier she is, they would be twice the Caldari they are.

That and the sheer lack of respect shown in seeking to judge a fellow citizen who has done more, suffered more to defend the State that she obviously loves to be spoken of as if her efforts are nothing by those whose loyalties are only simpering affectations compared to Kim-haani who has always displayed it with fire and steel fills me with nothing more than disgust. While we will always have our disagreements on politics, the least that can be shown is a modicum of respect for the uniform Kim-haani wears as an active duty personnel defending the Caldari State.

I at least can respect Kim-haani's convictions even if I might disagree with her politics, which is more than I can say for bleeding-heart liberals who no doubt would prefer we simply spit upon those in uniform who do serve the State while they stab us all in the back by collaborating with the Federation and Republic.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#148 - 2013-06-21 23:23:07 UTC
Hm. Interesting.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#149 - 2013-06-21 23:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
We'll be in touch, Gesakaarin-haani.

Katrina Oniseki

Nanao Avala
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#150 - 2013-06-21 23:43:02 UTC
I would be very interested to see what Kim-haani has to say to all of this.

So many speaking for and against her, yet hardly a voice from her. While there will always be difference of opinions when it comes to how to deal with certain matters, let us not forget that a large part of what actually happens depends on the person themselves and what they are willing to do and/or say to defend themselves.

I do hope you are willing to open up soon, Kim-haani. There are those of us out here who, (despite believing in justice and prefers someone answers for what has happened) , are curious as to your well-being and hope for your stability overall.

Dr. Nanao Avala: Psychologist, Behavioral Analyst

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#151 - 2013-06-21 23:44:01 UTC
Gesakaarin-suuolo I am starting to wonder why Pyre Falcon has been so quick to defend a stalwart supporter of Heth and his personal army.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-06-21 23:46:52 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
All I can say in Kim-haani's defence is that if some of the State citizens I see in this communique were half the soldier she is, they would be twice the Caldari they are.


And by the same token, were she in possession of half the poise and introspection of some of her kirjuunen she would be twice the Caldari she is.

None of us are perfect, but where I'm from we don't tip-toe around a person's shortcomings to spare their delicate feelings. If somebody needs an education, then give it and if they're all offended then it's their job to harden the frak up.

I appreciate that this approach can and does backfire, but I tend to take the view that a soldier of her reputed calibre should be tough enough to take it.

Diana - as it happens I'm out of pod probably until Monday, so you've got a few days just yet. I look forward to our conversation.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#153 - 2013-06-21 23:56:56 UTC
John Revenent wrote:
Gesakaarin-suuolo I am starting to wonder why Pyre Falcon has been so quick to defend a stalwart supporter of Heth and his personal army.


Believe me when I say that if I was willing to end the life of my husband in Haatomo for failing to surrender himself to the the justice of Kaalakiota and the State as a dissident member of the CPD I will be more than glad to extend the same courtesy to Kim-haan -- if I feel she has crossed that line.

Until then I will defend a stalwart soldier and member of the Armed Forces of the Caldari State, just as any other.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Vikarion
Doomheim
#154 - 2013-06-22 00:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
Why are they defending Kim? I will tell you why.

When the Gallente took all the Caldari systems, where was I-RED? In null space. When the Gallente attacked Caldari Prime, where was I-RED? Planning a fleet with the possible goal of downing the Leviathan - and don't bother lying, I have the mails. And yes, certainly an argument can be made about not dooms-daying the homeworld. It's just rather telling that the only thing that got you back into State space was the excuse to kill a Caldari Titan, on whose kill-mail more than a couple I-RED members appear, I believe.

And where was Stitcher when the Gallente took all of the State's low-sec? In Republic space, aiding the same country whose militia members were flooding into Black Rise in support of the Gallente offensive. When Caldari Prime was nearly destroyed by an unnecessary Gallente attack, Mr. Hakatain promptly had an attack of melodrama, then...went back to the Republic. But when Pyre Falcon actually crossed over the Amarrian border to hit back at the Republic forces, apparently that was beyond the pale for our good Mr. Hakatain.

When the Gallente were taking Black Rise, I can tell you where I was. I was enlisting in the State Protectorate. And that's where Tuulinen was. And Kim.

And when the first shots against Heth were fired, when the factory workers in their freighters were brutally shot down, it wasn't I-RED or Mr. Hakatain or MXD or the other moralizers here who were there defending them. It was me, and Kraid, and Tuulinen.

Here's the fact of the matter: you don't get to tell Pieter Tuulinen what it means to be Caldari, or who ought to be Caldari, because, comparatively, you don't have the faintest frakking clue. You listen to him. Because he actually has the courage of his stated convictions, and acts on them.

And you don't get to tell Diana Kim that she ought to be committing suicide. When the State needed her, she was there, even if she is racist and of completely inappropriate political views. She wasn't off vacationing in Heimatar or Syndicate when she was needed most, and she tried to do the best she could for the State, even if she was mistaken on some points.

You don't have some sort of pedestal to be standing on. The best of you haven't done much more than yelp from the sidelines, and the worst of you are god damned near collaborators with the enemies of the State.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#155 - 2013-06-22 01:14:36 UTC
Vikarion-haan, I think we've -all- lost the thread, here.

It is not my duty, nor anyone else's duty, to tell Diana Kim what she should do.

However, it is beholden to us to pay mind to her actions and deeds. Not a week gone, she was calling those who opposed Heth traitors and terrorists. Now, Heth is a fugitive from the State. Now, we should be wary -- not to drive her away, nor to control her, but to ensure that the beast in our midst is hound, not wolf.

For myself, that is all I wish to see here, and all I think reasonable to discuss.

Beyond that, many, MANY of those of us who participate in the Summit have an atrocious excess of ego. It does none of us any justice. Indeed, it blinds us to what is just.




(Though I would be curious to see that mail about the Shiigeru. That was before I joined the Enforcement Directive, so...)

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-06-22 01:19:49 UTC
Nanao Avala wrote:
I would be very interested to see what Kim-haani has to say to all of this.

So many speaking for and against her, yet hardly a voice from her. While there will always be difference of opinions when it comes to how to deal with certain matters, let us not forget that a large part of what actually happens depends on the person themselves and what they are willing to do and/or say to defend themselves.

I do hope you are willing to open up soon, Kim-haani. There are those of us out here who, (despite believing in justice and prefers someone answers for what has happened) , are curious as to your well-being and hope for your stability overall.

What exactly do you want to hear, haani? I thought my positions were pretty much clear. If you want, I can repeat them to you, or you may ask more direct questions.

And no, I do not willing to open myself. I was already opened recently, but thanks to Scherezad-haani and her medical crew, I was properly closed, and I would prefer to stay this way.


I would like to thank everyone who were defending me, but it wasn't necessary. I am a big girl and I can take care about myself.


And I would like to ask you to stop fighting between each other. We all are Caldari. We shouldn't fight each other. We must stay united and fight as one, as one nation. Our enemies are not other Caldari. Our enemies are Gallenteans. As one very wise and merited man said, "they are bane of our existence". Turn your swords against them.

The Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#157 - 2013-06-22 01:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Ahh, hyperbole. I'll ignore the rest of that and point out the only part that really matters in this discussion.

Vikarion wrote:

And you don't get to tell Diana Kim that she ought to be committing suicide.



We were not saying she should. We were saying she should be allowed to without interference. I'm sure you would stand silent and smile happily were I to pick up the cup of tea. You wouldn't try to dissuade me. Tuulinen wouldn't, Gesakaarin wouldn't, you wouldn't. The right to ritual suicide is not one that any of you - for any reason - should be denying her.

But it seems she doesn't want to, so this leaves the whole discussion pointless.

Katrina Oniseki

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#158 - 2013-06-22 01:23:30 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Vikarion-haan, I think we've -all- lost the thread, here.

It is not my duty, nor anyone else's duty, to tell Diana Kim what she should do.

However, it is beholden to us to pay mind to her actions and deeds. Not a week gone, she was calling those who opposed Heth traitors and terrorists. Now, Heth is a fugitive from the State. Now, we should be wary -- not to drive her away, nor to control her, but to ensure that the beast in our midst is hound, not wolf.

For myself, that is all I wish to see here, and all I think reasonable to discuss.

Beyond that, many, MANY of those of us who participate in the Summit have an atrocious excess of ego. It does none of us any justice. Indeed, it blinds us to what is just.




(Though I would be curious to see that mail about the Shiigeru. That was before I joined the Enforcement Directive, so...)


You too will learn to ignore Vikarion. He likes to rant about Ishukone-Raata like he knows anything of the slightest about our organization, or Ishukone.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2013-06-22 01:24:24 UTC
Just let me know if you need to chat, Diana.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Vikarion
Doomheim
#160 - 2013-06-22 01:54:55 UTC
Actually, Miss Oniseki, I would encourage you not to drink the tea. In fact, I'd call you a fool for suggesting it, and try to get you some help.

I do, as it turns out, value the lives of other Caldari, even if I think they are damn fools.