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(ATTENTION ALL CAPSULEERS) Change System Names to something easier to pronounce
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Cynthia Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-11-05 15:58:58 UTC
Leyla Constantine wrote:
Well we all know how irritating it is sometimes not being able to understand which system the FC is ordering the fleet to warp to so I propose that we change the system names to something which is easier to pronounce for the sake of efficiency in the game.

I understand that some of the planets and systems were named after beta testers and I really appreciate their work and would like to take this opportunity to thank them on behalf of entire New Eden. But the reason they beta tested was to make EVE Online better and the way it can be made even more better is to simply change the planet and system names. That is what they would have wanted and that is the best way to honor their memory.

I have no qualms with the naming conventions.
I actually like the names of every single system in the game.

Post with your lick™
Mal Darkrunner
Zero Tau Research Institute
#22 - 2011-11-05 23:34:48 UTC
So your proposal is to change the names of (presumably) a large number of systems in order to make the game a bit easier for FCs or fleet members?

Names that have been part of the EVE galaxy for, what, 7 years or more?

For me this smacks too much of dumbing down.

I like the EVE system names just as they are - especially Haajinen which, when pronounced by a certain FC, sounded absolutely hilarious Twisted

As others have already mentioned there are a number of ways in which to convey system names for fleet warps, etc. (e.g. linking in chat, using abbreviations or spelling, broadcast window, setting destinations/waypoints).

Perhaps if you're having trouble you could investigate some of those first, instead of trying to get the whole galaxy altered?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#23 - 2011-11-06 00:50:23 UTC
Mal Darkrunner wrote:
So your proposal is to change the names of (presumably) a large number of systems in order to make the game a bit easier for FCs or fleet members?

Names that have been part of the EVE galaxy for, what, 7 years or more?

For me this smacks too much of dumbing down.


Also, the instant obsolescence of seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, bookmarks, podcasts, notes, and memories. There are a lot of routes I know by heart. Renaming half the systems because some people find them hard to pronounce would mean that I'd have to relearn those routes AND unlearn the old ones that would confuse me.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Solo Player
#24 - 2011-11-06 03:14:48 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Also, the instant obsolescence of seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, bookmarks, podcasts, notes, and memories. There are a lot of routes I know by heart. Renaming half the systems because some people find them hard to pronounce would mean that I'd have to relearn those routes AND unlearn the old ones that would confuse me.


I'm pretty sure they'd update automatically.

I certainly don't support renaming those systems that have funny but sensible empire names.
I still do mind the random names in 0.0 . How about allowing corporations to suggest a name for a system that hasn't got one yet once they have held sov and an outpost in the system for 6 months or more and built some upgrades?
(CCP'd still have to check names for appropriateness)
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#25 - 2011-11-06 05:04:32 UTC
Or we could just stick with what we have, because its fine Roll plenty of ways to get around mispronunciation have already been given.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-06 06:08:55 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
I still do mind the random names in 0.0 . How about allowing corporations to suggest a name for a system that hasn't got one yet once they have held sov and an outpost in the system for 6 months or more and built some upgrades?
(CCP'd still have to check names for appropriateness)


Most 0.0 players I know are as attached to our system names as highsec players are to Jita.
Solo Player
#27 - 2011-11-06 12:10:58 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Solo Player wrote:
I still do mind the random names in 0.0 . How about allowing corporations to suggest a name for a system that hasn't got one yet once they have held sov and an outpost in the system for 6 months or more and built some upgrades?
(CCP'd still have to check names for appropriateness)


Most 0.0 players I know are as attached to our system names as highsec players are to Jita.


I guessed as much - actually, let's get rid of both nao! ;)

OTT, I wouldn't want to force anybody to rename their home, but I imagine it could be an incentive for space holders that invest into upgrading their space to "leave a mark", so to speak.
Ms Twitch
Brittas Empire
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2011-11-06 19:29:46 UTC
I have been zipping around low sec and 0.0 for many years and either using the first three letters broadcasting has never failed me, if I am unable to get it 1'st time I just ask the FC for a repeat.

Not supported.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#29 - 2011-11-06 19:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Solo Player wrote:
I still do mind the random names in 0.0 . How about allowing corporations to suggest a name for a system that hasn't got one yet once they have held sov and an outpost in the system for 6 months or more and built some upgrades?
(CCP'd still have to check names for appropriateness)


Most 0.0 players I know are as attached to our system names as highsec players are to Jita.



yup, still have fond memories of getting the **** kicked out of me in NOL and J-L ... spent some time in 1DH too


For those of you who care ... NOL-M9 and J-LPX7 (can't remember the rest of 1DH off hand though). Haven't been there in YEARS, but still have the names burned into my memory...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#30 - 2011-11-07 01:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Solo Player wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Also, the instant obsolescence of seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, bookmarks, podcasts, notes, and memories. There are a lot of routes I know by heart. Renaming half the systems because some people find them hard to pronounce would mean that I'd have to relearn those routes AND unlearn the old ones that would confuse me.


I'm pretty sure they'd update automatically.


Did you think that response through AT ALL? How are they going to autoupdate spreadsheets and youtube videos?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Iella Wesirri
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
#31 - 2011-11-07 02:18:28 UTC
Tell you what sir. You come up with a list of, what, 2000 unique names for all the systems in eve that are all easy to pronounce and I'll fully support this idea. Please post your list here so we can all see them. I expect to see something by Wednesday.

- Iella
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-11-07 16:22:27 UTC
Endovior wrote:
You're lucky... at least your systems have names.

I have little patience for anyone unable to refer to a merely unpronounceable name by the first three letters or whatnot, since that's more or less the only way to refer to systems in null. I'd advise that you simply get used to heading to 'Aitch-Oh-Eff' and whatnot... since in null, it's all stuff like 'Jay-Tac-See' and 'Ay-Wun-Arr'.

Not supported... or, at least, not before names get handed out to the null systems.


Or the names we give them:

For example, nearly everyone in IRC refers to 4LNE-M as "Four Line". It's not hard to say, and everyone knows what you mean, including the non-native English speakers. E-BYOS is referred to as"eBay" by most of my corpmates, though in alliance fleets it's normally just "EB".

Honestly it doesn't matter what the name is as long as everyone you need to communicate with knows it by that name. Names are an arbitrary human convention. Pick one and stick with it.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#33 - 2011-11-07 16:57:42 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Endovior wrote:
You're lucky... at least your systems have names.

I have little patience for anyone unable to refer to a merely unpronounceable name by the first three letters or whatnot, since that's more or less the only way to refer to systems in null. I'd advise that you simply get used to heading to 'Aitch-Oh-Eff' and whatnot... since in null, it's all stuff like 'Jay-Tac-See' and 'Ay-Wun-Arr'.

Not supported... or, at least, not before names get handed out to the null systems.


Or the names we give them:

For example, nearly everyone in IRC refers to 4LNE-M as "Four Line". It's not hard to say, and everyone knows what you mean, including the non-native English speakers. E-BYOS is referred to as"eBay" by most of my corpmates, though in alliance fleets it's normally just "EB".

Honestly it doesn't matter what the name is as long as everyone you need to communicate with knows it by that name. Names are an arbitrary human convention. Pick one and stick with it.


Following that convention ... I remember "TPAR-G " being referred to as "Trap" (never flew there myself though).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Solo Player
#34 - 2011-11-07 22:50:08 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Solo Player wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Also, the instant obsolescence of seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, bookmarks, podcasts, notes, and memories. There are a lot of routes I know by heart. Renaming half the systems because some people find them hard to pronounce would mean that I'd have to relearn those routes AND unlearn the old ones that would confuse me.


I'm pretty sure they'd update automatically.


Did you think that response through AT ALL? How are they going to autoupdate spreadsheets and youtube videos?


Sorry, I guessed I made the part I was referring to clear by underlining it in your quote. I was lazy and, apparently, wrong.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2011-11-08 00:52:00 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Solo Player wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Also, the instant obsolescence of seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, bookmarks, podcasts, notes, and memories. There are a lot of routes I know by heart. Renaming half the systems because some people find them hard to pronounce would mean that I'd have to relearn those routes AND unlearn the old ones that would confuse me.


I'm pretty sure they'd update automatically.


Did you think that response through AT ALL? How are they going to autoupdate spreadsheets and youtube videos?


Sorry, I guessed I made the part I was referring to clear by underlining it in your quote. I was lazy and, apparently, wrong.


How does the bookmarks updating fix seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, podcasts, notes, wikis, guides and memories?
Solo Player
#36 - 2011-11-08 01:13:50 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:

How does the bookmarks updating fix seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, podcasts, notes, wikis, guides and memories?


Are you suggesting so? I'm not. Not that anyone really gives a twit about all that anyways - some people will keep referring to Mumbai as Bombay, and nobody gets confused.
Besides: chill, girl.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#37 - 2011-11-08 01:42:44 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
Sorry, I guessed I made the part I was referring to clear by underlining it in your quote. I was lazy and, apparently, wrong.


If I make a bookmark to sit 170 km off the kaaputenen gate in niarja and name it "Niar - Kaap 170" I completely understand the meaning of the name, but CCP can't change that with any sort of find and replace.

That's what I'm talking about, NOT the actually coordinates of the bookmarks.

It's completely unfeasible and would put far to much work in the hands of the players to fix all their data because CCP changed 8 years of established game content.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Wilhelm Riley
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-11-08 02:08:32 UTC
These system names have been here since the games inception and people have managed up 'til now. Besides, easier to pronounce just means something people are families with, which in turn means that these wonderful system names will be replaced with generic and boring names.
Kan'loch Lacoud
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-11-08 10:37:57 UTC
Leyla Constantine wrote:
That is what they would have wanted and that is the best way to honor their memory.



That is one of the dumbest justifications ever, please don't use it.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2011-11-08 11:25:17 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:

How does the bookmarks updating fix seven years worth of documents, blogs, videos, podcasts, notes, wikis, guides and memories?


Are you suggesting so? I'm not. Not that anyone really gives a twit about all that anyways - some people will keep referring to Mumbai as Bombay, and nobody gets confused.
Besides: chill, girl.


yeah, no-one cares at all about all the guides, route planners, blogs, recruitment ads. wikis, or thier own memories. No-one at all.

nope.

No-one.


Get out.
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