Ships & Modules

Most people fly the Maelstrom. Eight guns and bonus to shield boost amount...

Eh, in that case i might just get a Hyperion then. Cheers

I have fleet pest that I use sometimes for high sec missions. Some missions I fit ac, some missions I fit arti. It works alright. Active armor tank.

Nano-pests are a wonderful PvP machine. Its one of my favorite hulls, like a 70k eHP Hurricane with heavy neuts.

In fact a pve Tempest fit with Artys, Mwd and shield buffer is a quite excellent level 4 runner.

I think you are missing my point.I talk about using a fully pvp fitted Tempest solo for pve in a environment where you got shoot by other pvp fitted ships is not something special but daily business.

Your armor tempest will die in this scenario, similar to a maelstrom. It is not a good pve ship because of super high dps or range, it is a good pve ship because you can do pve still efficient in a pvp fitting, what different to your 3 slot armor pest will not die against the first pvp fitted BC you meet in low sec.

If you can't imagine why another 150m/s might be very important(this is basically nearly your full speed advantage compared to other attack BS this days), than by all means fly a tempest and see how it works out once you run into nano drakes, canes, ABCs or even other attack BS.

- you don't need webs, if you are in web/scram range you did it wrong and you will be dead no matter if you fly a armor or shield fitting
- you don't need sensor boosters, you can lock a target coming your way just fine
- you don't need a ECCM since you are screwed against ECM if you are solo, no matter how many mods you fit
- you don't even fit a cap booster because you need any point of buffer you can get and you don't relay on cap transfer since you are not in a blob, you are mostly solo or small gang

You didn't check his KM's did you?

For a player that stays in save space or is somewhere deep in 0.0 where you have to make 20 jumps before you see something not blue in local probably 100% hypothetical, but keep in mind not everybody does this and some players actually play under constant pvp conditions and rather chose a fitting for pve what can be quite competitive in pvp instead of getting caught with her pants down when you end up in pvp with it.

The 1100+ DPS are on a setup with 3 gyros, small drones, +5% imps, meta 4 CMs and T2 rof rig. I generally preferred this one for knocking down some annos quickly or if you need some serious dps for BS heavy engagements. The 2 gyro with nos/neut was more the thing I flown if you are a bit away from home or really expect some people showing up, being a bit on the save side with the speed and the nos/neut combo against tacklers and to cripple BCs at point range.

I played around a bit with dual invu setups. You get out a little more EHP with them, but you can space out the active mods better with 2 extenders, what means you can overload the point, mwd and single invu longer, what can make a huge difference. It also saves some cap, what is a nice bonus.

As for the EM hole, it is not that problematic, ships that can deal a lot EM damage at high range(amarr BS) are slow, so they can't force the engagement range. Torp BS got a low range(the CM buff might be a bit problematic here) and most missile ships use kinetic missiles. Your worst enemy is probably something like a nano Oracle(that got a lot less tank) or another nano pest/mach that uses EMP ammo. For pve in angel space only a few high end BS or missile batteries do em/thermal damage and can be knocked down from range with barrage before they become a issue. In general angels are fairly easy to tank, since most of her dps is on close range BS that do next to no damage beyond 20km.

Well I mostly used it during the time after the projectile changes and the time before ABCs got introduced. If the Tempest is in a good or bad state is always kind of hard to tell, since the ship isn't really well focused to a particular role and mostly scales with modules(like TEs, neuts, nos, ecm), the current metagame(where it did pretty good against nano BCs) and can be good or bad rather by module changes instead of ship changes.

However with the odyssey BS changes, the CM changes, the TE change and what will be done with nos I think the Tempest currently is in a state where the lack of focus makes it kind of jack of all trades, without doing a thing particular well. It isn't a bad ship by all means, but the new mega and hype tank a lot harder, deal better damage and can hit further(hype basically got a upgrade from electron to neutron blasters). The Phoon and Raven are now very effective at medium range with CM and the also quite fast. Even the new Apoc got a lot quicker and combines excellent tracking with huge ranges.

I and Pattern did a few concepts for a possible tempest change, I think you will find them in the Minmatar BS balance thread, it basically came down to a 7/5/7 pest with a slightly higher damage bonus to dish out ok alpha with armor tanks for artillery fleets or a 7/6/6 Tempest buffing the rof bonus and changing the damage one for falloff one, making it a bit more flexible in the nano AC BS role.

The current tempest is a bit more agile and faster(about 120m/s more with my implants, taking it to around 1370+ m/s and close to 2km/s with heat) but it will for the time being not change focus(as Rise stated he will look into it later on if he feels it isn't up to par). So I guess we have to wait and see.